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Elise Lucet on wage inequality: "You have to punch your fist on the table"

2020-05-19T09:38:04.849Z


The journalist and presenter of the magazine "Cash investigation" is stepping up to the plate with a dedicated survey, this Tuesday evening on France 2, in


The figures speak volumes: among the 120 large French companies, only 9 are managed by women. In France, men's wages are 22.8% higher than those of these ladies. Worse, in banks, they earn 36% less than them. Few leaders, little career development and sexist reflections ...

It is in this sector in particular that the magazine "Cash Investigation" investigated in the issue "Gender equality: balance your salary", broadcast this Tuesday on France 2 at 9 pm. The reporter Zoé de Bussierre also became interested in predominantly female professions by meeting nurses. The report is overwhelming. However, nothing irreversible, according to the measures taken in Quebec to promote pay equity. An example to follow urgently, proclaims the journalist Élise Lucet.

Are we still in the prehistory of pay equity in France?

ELISE LUCET. Not in prehistoric times, but between the Middle Ages and the Renaissance! Things have improved. However, I was shocked to find that the law, which dates from 1972, is still not applied. There is a societal blockage in France, especially for predominantly female professions. However, the coronavirus crisis has brought to light these women in the shadows - home helpers, nurses, cashiers - who are essential. Their professional competence must be recognized and valued. It is time to move the lines, as in Quebec.

Why so few women leaders, especially in finance?

Women there are half as likely to access positions of responsibility because of the glass ceiling. It is unacceptable that their careers be blocked because they have children. It is discrimination. In addition, when they recruit, companies do not meet women because they are not in their networks. And they do not always feel ready to apply for certain positions, because at no time were they told that they were eligible. We must shake up this patriarchy and succeed in this revolution.

How? 'Or' What ?

By taking action. Politicians must take up the subject head on, punching the table. Nice talk about parity is good, but if it doesn't work, you have to sanction. If one or two exemplary sanctions hit large companies, they would be quicker to apply parity.

Pay inequality: two switchboard operators who have been colleagues for 25 years testify (Cash Investigation

These two switchboard operators, colleagues for more than 25 years, thought they had the same level of salary, and yet here is what they discovered ... # CashInvestigation "Gender equality: balance your salary” A survey by Zoé de Bussierre➡️ Tuesday 19 May at 9 p.m. on France 2

Gepostet von CASH Investigation am Sonntag, 17. May 2020

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You have to know how to sweep outside our door and our journalist also investigated France Télévisions, where things are going pretty well. When I arrived in 1986, the directors and the editors were men. Things have changed enormously: I have seen my female colleagues become editors, become great reporters and war reporters. This generation broke stereotypes, opened the way and marked a turning point.

The recent testimonies of house journalists including Clémentine Sarlat, ex of "Stade 2", however evoked sexism ...

It exists, as in many societies. I hear Clémentine Sarlat. Everyone is encouraged to reveal, denounce situations of discrimination, harassment. Now there are procedures, investigations, sanctions. We have set up a sponsorship-sponsorship system: any newcomer to the group, man or woman, has a godfather and a godmother, including a more experienced one, to whom he can speak in case of a problem and who will send the news . It started for journalists and was extended to other professions. Harassment, inappropriate gestures or words are no longer acceptable. We must remain extremely vigilant. We cannot leave a millimeter of possibility to these behaviors.

Have you been confronted with it?

Quite a bit, because I had kind editors, I became a figure on the air and I have my character. The men understood that it was not necessary to go on this ground there with me! But women around me have had concerns. When I saw inappropriate gestures or words, I sometimes said, "Oh oh, stop! Those who were hired after us dared to speak less, for fear of losing their position, perhaps higher hierarchical pressure. This is less the case.

Where does your fight for equality come from?

From my education. At home, equality was obvious: my father always helped my mother with the housework, and he said that the women were great. For me, a world without men would be an eyesore! I love working with them. At the beginning, at "Cash Investigation", there were 6 for 2 women who left. At one point, I found myself alone with men. It was not possible. Women are now the most numerous in the team. The investigation has become feminized. We have damn chicks who don't give up.

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