12/02/2020 9:52 AM
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1m ago
12:39
Martín Olivera, specialist in gynecology.
"There is different DNA at 5 weeks of gestation. The story says that the fetus is not a living being, but we must remember that it is a different entity than the mother and must be recognized as an unborn individual. Public health understood as science that seeks to prolong life in no way can promote the annihilation of a life. It is a fallacy that is a public health priority. "
11m ago
12:30
Victor Urbani, doctor and former Minister of Health of Jujuy.
“There are an estimated 170 thousand illegal abortions a year in Argentina, if we pass this law, we will know how many actually occur.
There are 138 thousand annual discharges due to abortion complications in public hospitals, there are no figures from the private sector.
In this pandemic, 70% of the patients have been treated in the private sector, we can get an idea of what the figure will be in that sector.
For every woman who dies, there are thousands who suffer serious consequences that affect the health system and overwhelm it.
Criminalizing women for aborting is outrageous, as a medical therapist I have seen many women die from unsafe abortions and I have never seen a criminal, I have seen victims ”.
37m ago
12:04
Gustavo Carrara: "Health cannot be achieved by ruling out another human being"
The titular bishop of the former seat of Tasbalta criticized legal abortion.
“Many times the international organizations that lend money suggest policies to control population growth and this points to these towns and neighborhoods that, instead of reducing inequality, would thus reduce the number of poor people.
Gustavo Carrara, bishop.
“The convention on the rights of the child understands by child every human being from the moment of conception.
When the right to live is denied, all human rights are left hanging because any option for human dignity needs arguments that do not fall under discussion beyond any circumstance.
If an excuse appears to eliminate a human life, reasons will appear to exclude beings that disturb people from this world, ”he said.
"Health cannot be achieved by ruling out another human being," he said
.
Yesterday, another religious, Father Pepe, gave one of the hardest speeches of the day.
Father Pepe on @alferdez's promise about legal abortion.
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- Pablo Javier Blanco (@payitoweb) December 1, 2020
42m ago
11:59
Leda Guzzi, infectious disease physician.
"She summons me from the place of a woman, mother and health personnel. My view on this issue was the opposite 20 years ago and to see so many young women sentenced for unsafe abortion die, young and poor women, taking her shaking hands, full of fear and resignation, sometimes mutilated, leaving dismembered families, abandoned children, all this challenged me and led me to a turn in my gaze and led me to understand that beyond religious and metaphysical positions, this is a very serious problem of public health that deserves the attention and solution of the health and political authorities.
46m ago
11:54
Technical problems
“Turn off the camera”, they ask Leda Guzzi, an infectious disease physician.
Again there are several technical problems in the debate over # AbortoLegal2020 pic.twitter.com/7YBfVd5Ymc
- Pablo Javier Blanco (@payitoweb) December 2, 2020
54m ago
11:47
María Angélica Gelli, director of the Constitutional Political Institute.
“The defense of life begins with the conception and the protection of this right is established in the legal system.
The law is postulated as a legal interruption of pregnancy, the government itself advertises it in this way in the media and it is not an interruption because what is interrupted can continue, we must be consistent with what we propose: it is about the suppression of pregnancy and it is a question of establishing a subjective right to abort for whatever reasons ”.
59m ago
11:42
Diana Maffia "We must emphatically repeat that enabling abortion does not force anyone to abort"
Diana Maffia.
"We must emphatically repeat that enabling abortion does not force anyone to abort" but prohibiting it sacrifices the lives of many women in the clandestine circuit and does not preserve any life, "said the director of the gender observatory of the Council of the Magistracy of CABA.
“I consider abortion as the resolution of a moral conflict between forced motherhood and the termination of pregnancy.
An ethical conflict between two evils whose resolution involves subjective and social reasons.
It is interesting to talk about the social, the State has omitted its effective presence in the conditions that lead to the conflict.
The woman who aborts is a victim of indirect violence due to the lack of timely and adequate public policies for comprehensive sexual education, contraception and the fight against gender violence. Can the same State that omits these policies penalize abortion?
I would be punishing women doubly, ”he added.
1h 40m ago
11:00
Anibal Bakir, president of the Islamic center of Argentina.
“Muslim bioethicists have said about abortion that avoiding harm comes before saving good.
It is not reprehensible to avoid a minor damage to avoid a greater one, if one of two damages must be consented to, the less harmful is chosen.
The pressing need, force majeure decriminalizes prohibited acts.
The right and the interest of the living being prevail over the right of the potentially living, the one that is about to be born and even the potentially living one, such as the embryo or fetus ”.
1h 50m ago
10:51
Andrés Gil Domínguez: "The enjoyment of women is punished"
The doctor and post-doctorate in Law stated that “it is an obligation of the Argentine State to decriminalize abortion because if it does not do so, it is violating the human rights of girls, adolescents and women.
From the conventional perspective, what the approval of the project does is to comply with international obligations and exercise control of internal conventionality against Human Rights treaties ”.
Andres Gil Dominguez in the debate over legal abortion: "What is being punished is the enjoyment of women through the appropriation of the body of pregnant people."
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- Pablo Javier Blanco (@payitoweb) December 2, 2020
“The basis of these rights is the autonomy of women, because when a woman in the face of danger to life or health decides whether or not to interrupt a pregnancy, she is exercising her autonomy.
When a woman in the face of rape decides whether or not she wants to continue with the pregnancy, she is also exercising her autonomy.
Why if in these cases the autonomy of women is safeguarded and there are no interventions because in this case there are?
Because here what is being
criminally punished is the ability that a woman has after having sexually enjoyed
not wanting to continue with a pregnancy, what is being criminally punished is that a woman wants to continue with her position as a woman and does not force her to To become a mother,
the enjoyment of women is punished
through the appropriation of the body of pregnant people and men continue to enjoy themselves without any inconvenience ”.
2h 3m ago
10:38
Nicolás Laferriere, specialist in Bioethics.
"If approved, in our laws there will be four moments in which human life begins, conception; the 12th week that they begin to pay pregnancy allowance; 14th week until the abortion will be legal; and the birth. All this constitutes an inadmissible discrimination between children, "he said.
"In the first weeks of pregnancy, the State only offers abortion, and the thousand-day project only offers it from week 12," he questioned.
2h 11m ago
10:30
10:30 am.
The second day of debate begins.
Soledad Deza
, a lawyer and gender magister, who refers to conscientious objection,
has the floor
.
“The worst face of the objection is one that hides behind a place of power, providing false information, requesting unnecessary studies and even judicializing consent and requesting judicial authorization.
Or the covert objection to providing a curettage instead of an abortion with pills just to cause pain.
Or Rodríguez Lastra's covert objection that he stopped a legal abortion for a rape victim because he had the power to do so.
Or the disguised objection of Belén that was denounced post-abortion by her doctors, to obtain a criminal punishment according to her moral preferences ”, he launched.
Soledad Deza
2h 27m ago
10:14
The committee plenary, which was due to start at 10 am, is several minutes late.
The same thing happened yesterday.
2h 41m ago
10:00
Elizabeth Gómez Alcorta
spoke of the first day of debate: "Yesterday we from the executive branch made the presentation of the project that the President sent a few days ago, for us it is a public health problem, because clandestine abortion in our country occurs in In very large ways, the numbers range between 350 thousand and 522 thousand per year, it causes as consequences of the clandestinity and especially of those who cannot pay for such a service, it is the main cause of maternal death "" many are women who already have children and they do not want to have more children, so there are many girls and boys who are left without their mothers, "he told channel America 24.
2h 45m ago
09:56
Mariana Iglesias
A summary of the first day of debate:
"Legal abortion: between public health and one's DNA, the opposing arguments of the debate."
Debate on abortion.
3h 24m ago
09:17
Discussion: day 2
After a first day in which government officials presented the details of the Voluntary Interruption of Pregnancy (IVE) project, and the presentations in favor and against the initiative, the discussion continues in the plenary of Deputies' committees.
This time there will be two discussion rounds: the first will be from 10 am to 1 pm and the second from 2 pm to 7 pm.
These are the exhibitors who will speak:
Shift tomorrow
1. Aníbal Bakir (Islamic Center of the Argentine Republic)
2. María Belén Carcedo
3. Gustavo Carrara (Auxiliary Bishop of Buenos Aires)
4. Soledad Deza (feminist lawyer)
5. Andrés Gil Dominguez (constitutional lawyer)
6. María Ángelica Gelli (lawyer and specialist in Legal Sociology)
7. Leda Guzzi (infectious disease doctor)
8. Aida Kemelmajer de Carlucci (former member of the Supreme Court of Mendoza)
9. Nicolás Laferriere (director of the Bioethics Center)
10. Martín Olivera (had to present yesterday , but he had technical problems)
11. Néstor Sagués (doctor of law)
12. Víctor Urbani (former Minister of Health of Jujuy)
Afternoon shift
1. Miriam Andújar (Institute of Bioethics of the Universidad Católica de Cuyo)
2. Jorge Aquino (Director of the developmental biology laboratory of the Austral Hospital)
3. Paola Bergallo (Magister in Socio-Legal Research)
4. Myriam Bregman (lawyer and feminist activist)
5. Margarita Bosch (Bioethics Institute of the UCA)
6. Comalera Carolina (degree in obstetrics)
7. Siro De Martini (Doctor in Legal Sciences)
8. María De Urraza (doctor)
9. Ségonele Du Closel (sociologist )
10. Magui Fernández Valdez (referent of the feminist organization La Sublevada)
11. Pablo Garat (Dean of the UCA School of Rights)
12. Roberto Gargarella (lawyer, jurist, sociologist and writer)
13. Natalia Gherardi (feminist lawyer)
14 Marisa Herrera (feminist lawyer)
15. Diana Maffia (Director of the Observatory of Gender in Justice of the Council of the Magistracy of the City of Buenos Aires).
16. Cecilia Ousset (Tocogynecology Specialist)
17. Débora Rainieri (Doctor of Legal Sciences from the UCA)
18. Gisela Reynaga
19. Sonia Terragona (Undersecretary of Medicines and Strategic Information)
20.
Fernando Toller (Lawyer)
Listings are subject to last minute changes for technical reasons.
