On the scale of sovereignty achievement: "Only if the Palestinians agree to Israeli security control throughout the territory will they have their own entity that Trump defines as a state" • The reason for the court speech: "Sew me a case like they never did" • Benjamin Netanyahu again goes on the attack

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thinks that applying sovereignty in Judea and Samaria, and especially in the Jordan Valley, is a historic move. This is not new. But he probably does not see the initiative ending the political process. By the nature of such an event that it produces a lot of noise, including on the part of the Jordanian king, and Netanyahu is not excited about it.

It was a noisy week. His unity government partner, Benny Gantz, was stunned by the prime minister's attack on the leaders of the investigations against him, the police and the prosecutor's office, and all this at the door of the Jerusalem District Court. The polls show that, contrary to the intention of those who wanted to see a prime minister star in his political funeral, the right-wing bloc leaps to 67 seats and the Likud is based on 41 seats.

"I feel good because I feel I am fighting for justice and the truth," he said in his Knesset office. "Of course for our country. I do this all the time."

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In this speech, you said something that is interpreted because there is no substitute for your leadership on the right, and the rest are poodles. But all these stood around you.

"I didn't say there was no substitute. I said they wanted to bring me down to bring down the right from power. That's how they think. In the media, their speakers, certainly, they have in the past, who have carried out displacement of localities and won the Ithrog, it's not me, so they want to get rid of me, because they think this is the way to take control of the right, take over the state. You speak. "

The mistake of the right

The opposition right is already accusing you of folding, precisely because of the issue of sovereignty in the valley.

"Folding ?! They brought the issue of applying sovereignty to Americans? Who brought it up? First time since the establishment of the state that I can bring to American recognition, first of all in the Golan Heights and Jerusalem, and then in an arrangement that will allow American recognition of homeland within Judea and Samaria. These are Trump's decisions. "And whoever comes up with it is me. No one else."

Obviously. But they claim that within this package is a Palestinian state.

"Within this package, there is a historic opportunity for a change of historical direction, which was one-way. All the time. All of our previous policy plans have included concessions on Eretz Israel, back to the 1967 lines, and dividing Jerusalem. The introduction of refugees. Here's a reversal. The process will continue if they are to fulfill about ten harsh conditions that include Israeli sovereignty in the West Bank of Jordan, the unification of Jerusalem, the entry of one refugee, non-displacement of localities, and Israeli sovereignty. In vast areas of Judea and Samaria and more and more.

"They need to recognize that we are the security ruler in the whole territory. If they agree to all this, then they will have their own entity that President Trump defines as a state. Some will tell you and tell me, an American statesman told me: 'But Bibi, this will not be a state.' To him, call it whatever you want. In the essence of the Trump program, there are fundamentals we only dreamed about. All the things that criticize us from the right - and what am I? - are things we have been fighting for for years and we have finally achieved.

Palestinian enclaves

Still, there are several thousand Palestinians living in the valley. What does this mean, that they will receive Israeli citizenship?



"No. They will remain as Palestinian enclaves. You do not annex Jericho. There are one or two clusters. You do not have to apply sovereignty to them, they will remain Palestinian subjects if you wish. But security control is over that, too." 

You mentioned that you should do this wisely, wisely. What it means? I understand you're worried the move will lead to the Hague Tribunal.

"Yes, but the Hague Tribunal has already decided that we are guilty of war crimes. We defend the homeland and the soldiers and the leaders and officials are also guilty of war crimes, because we dare to build homes of her age or at home. It's absurd. It's a pre-addictive game. "And all that is at the same time as the fight against the Iranian attempts to develop the nuclear. At the same time as the sovereignty is being applied, we will have to fight against this challenge of the International Court of Justice. 

"Incessant incitement"

You were surprised by this sharp transition - the Corona fight, which earned you an admiration in Italy, all at once you had to defend yourself in court. And all the communication in 'The Big' is great.

"Do I have to be surprised by that? They do it every day. Hundreds of times in prime time at peak times. Every time you take leaks and distort, including in recent days. Threatening witnesses who would change their testimonies would otherwise go to jail. Incredible. These are offenses. Criminal. In the eyes of everyone. No one is here. The court does not deal with this. The police do nothing. It is reminiscent of undemocratic regimes, and later it is said that when we criticize it - we endanger democracy.

"They call it incitement. Evening incessant incitement against me and against the idea of ​​the rule of law as it should be. With its brakes and reservations and the safeguarding of individual rights. It's trampled. And when someone dares complain about these dark practices - it's the one that threatens democracy. In English they say, 'Give me a break.' Don't work on us. '

But the tension on the street is like this, mine was reminiscent of 1983, when some fly was flying and some madman was throwing a grenade and Emil Grintzweig was killed.

"It's all the time, every time the right side dares to go against that hegemony. The left-wing police of thought as the media preaches to us this evening on Soviet TV, mention it, and immediately send security guards to guard the attorneys and all their representatives. But I didn't notice that there were hundreds Demonstrations near the courthouse, near his home, did not make it here. They did not say that this could end in tragedy, etc. They gave it complete and complete backup. 

"As soon as someone on the right dares to raise a voice, they immediately say: civil war and grenades. Really. Violence, there is no room for violence on either side. This is wrong and abusive but it is not what is at stake. What is at stake is that most people are tired of bowing before lies This and before the delinquency of police and attorney investigators. It didn't start with me, but it peaked with me. And people understand that whoever was invited to this bench is not just me but millions of citizens who have chosen me - and are trying to make the choice. To thwart their democratic decision. Don't buy it, these elusive bags that have been made for me and just for me, not for anyone else in 244 years of democracy in the world.

"In 2015, before there was one investigation, we got 980,000 votes in Likud. Now, after five years, after endless investigations and a spate of leaks, field trials of suspicion and indictment during an election campaign, we've received a million and 350,000 votes. "Almost 40 percent while the population grows by a few percent. There is an expression of trust in me and a great deal of distrust in the system of researchers and attorneys. Of course, this very upsets the bishops in the media channels." 

National reconciliation

In the last few days, have you talked to your partner Benny Gantz? Because his project is national reconciliation.

"National reconciliation is the right thing to do. This is the thing, I tell you, that a very large public, even among left-wing voters, a large minority believes that the things that have been done against me and my way of public voting are very big, are things that will not be done in a democratic regime.

"Many on the left think you have deposed witnesses by extorting threats, which take a man and put a certain woman next to him in an interrogation facility, and tell him - if you don't give us what we want against Netanyahu, we will destroy your family. Or when you take a housewife in a residence who comes to complain about sexual harassment Another witness, and say if you don't give a false testimony that Netanyahu sent you, we will send you to jail, and that person will be a senior investigator on the subject - People say: It's wrong. You don't have to be a right-wing voter to understand that these things, their place, will not recognize a democratic state "These are dangerous things for democracy and the rule of law. The use of these improper means endangers equality before the law which is the foundation of democracy."

The three cases are about connections or discussions, negotiations, and negotiations that you have with communication tycoons.

"Communication tycoon?"

Milchan, Moses and Elovich.

"That word, tycoon ... so what's the question?"

What do you have against the media being led by these people? 

"It is not led by these people, and it is not negotiated. You are wrong. In one case, especially in the newspaper in question here, I blocked an attempt organized by Moses to close" Israel today. "I blocked it. How? With Noni Moses, who was supposed to allow me to get to the position that I dissolved the Knesset, I risked myself, and the law was repealed, and indeed, your paper did not close. 

"The interesting thing is that dozens of Knesset members and ministers supported this law while I was at risk, but who is prosecuting? In return, they received positive and sympathetic coverage from here to a new announcement in Yedioth Ahronoth. I'm prosecuting for positive coverage I did not receive. What are the police officers doing? Delivering materials and leaks. Giving materials to their speakers in the media and receiving biased positive coverage in return. According to this procedure, all politicians and attorneys should have been prosecuted. "

I feel there is now a tsunami against the Treasury's policy of exiting the Corona crisis. As if you don't consider self-employed and small business owners. You talked about regulation and bureaucracy. How do you solve it in the end?

"First of all, it is a supreme national task. Second, you have to find a kicker. The money is there. The problem is how to use the money optimally so that maximum small and self-employed businesses not only receive compensation for damages, but can also open businesses and absorb workers in such a way that they return them to the circle. The job. The way to do it, one of them, is to open the economy. We did it. But yesterday there was a jump (in the stick). "

A brief clarification with Meir Ben Shabbat said that on Tuesday, 46 patients were added and yesterday another 16 were added by 4 p.m.

"We said that if we reached a hundred, we would have to put the restrictions back," says the PM. "Weeks can be like Passover. But with cheese. "

"We'll live like an accordion"

"Right now we are not there. The virus has not disappeared from the moment it arrives here. The way to destroy it is by vaccination, and until then we will live like an accordion. We will open for the economy and close because of the infection. People are less strict about safety rules. Unfortunately, this is the real way to prevent it This is either a local outbreak and you are making a local closure, or if the infection is across the population, then develop individual (digital) detection tools and insert them into binding isolation in less than 48 hours. I spoke at a conference call today with seven world leaders, Austria leaders , Australia, Norway, etc. Everyone said the problem was the challenge of success. Stop taking safety rules seriously. "

Still, in the matter of budgeting - how to do what the Germans succeeded in transferring the budgeted money to those in need?

"In the beginning there was a problem with the officials - when the conditions for the money were too severe. Then there was a problem with the software that was too cumbersome. That was fixed too. Nevertheless, until now, 400,000 and more have been handed. The most interesting question is the question of how to divide. It's not the technology thing. Who's entitled to the incentive. They talk about employers' incentive. What's the right incentive. The right formula.

From your 2009 experience, a less severe crisis, you found the way to grow. What path do you see returning to growth?

"To fully return to growth, people need to feel enough confidence that we won't get a second wave. If people think there will be a second wave, they will close. It's like a kind of lid on the pot. There will always be a limitation. That's why it depends on treating the epidemic. Vaccination, and some scientists are working on it, we have some of the best scientists in the world, but it is still unclear if it will be found and when it will be found. Second, it is much faster tests, for example, tests that you can come to an airport and within an hour to know if you have the disease or nothing. 

This is important because then you can drive more traffic, more transportation, and that pushes the economy. This is not a complete solution. Because you don't know if you contracted nine days earlier. That's what we're trying to do. Promote the two things together. It will allow us to open the economy, not to the previous levels but close. " 

Major General Brick returns to the IDF challenge repeatedly, that the inland army is unfit for war, something in the corporate culture does not work.

"What needs to be repaired. But I think the military is also worthy. And that's not the problem. I don't think. The main problem is that we are targeted by many thousands of missiles, and the second problem is that Iran wants to develop nuclear weapons. The important problem - it is not the main problem, in order to respond to the threat coming from the sky from a great distance, I first had to resist Iran and its establishment in Syria.

"Against the opinion of experts and commentators who blame it for a spin designed to scare the people. Like the Corona. Look at the table here, Belgium. A country of our size. A little more than 10,000 dead, and we're here (points to a graph that places Israel among the leading countries in their success) In the epidemic.) As if it's an invention, on security, health and life saving, we can't sit on the laurels. 

On the issue of military security against nuclear terrorism, this requires security-political-intelligence action. Like the actions I instructed, including the raid on the Iranian nuclear archive. "

There are estimates that the Iranians are in a very difficult position, and that if Trump is elected again, he will go to an enhanced agreement and the Iranians with no choice will go along with it. What do you think of the possibility of another nuclear agreement?

"We maintain that Iranians will not be able to arm themselves with nuclear weapons. I appreciate that position. But Israel should be able to defend itself. . If he takes the 12 points announced by the Secretary of State, that would be a development that should not worry Israel. I doubt the Iranians will be willing to accept it, to say the least. "

"The door to the right is open"

Sympathetic commentators claim that the PM made a mistake in not going to a fourth election, but Netanyahu sees the unity government as an achievement. "The unity government is a great foundation for hope. It will pass a budget that will answer the hardships, and we now have a historic opportunity to apply sovereignty to homeland. 

"I urge all right-wingers to join the government, because they need to join hands and not act against each other. ".

Marking the heir?

The Prime Minister believes that the right will support the application of sovereignty, despite opposition statements. Mostly because that's what their supporters want. Despite the support of Likud's senior prime ministers when he comes to court, analysts' assessments of "the heir" cling to the head of the institution Yossi Cohen. The intensity of the "promotion" he gets at every opportunity - from the nuclear archive to the Coronation Destruction operation - indicates the direction.