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Interview | Ye Liuliu, Tan Dezhi's case appealed to the final court, sighing that Hong Kong chaos was planted early in 2012

2020-09-10T23:07:47.558Z


The vice chairman of the People’s Forces, Tan Dezhi, was arrested a few days ago and charged with the crime of "publishing sedition" in the Criminal Offences Ordinance. The "criminal evidence" involved included a number of protest slogans such as "The black police die for the whole family" and " The five major demands are indispensable" and so on. The democrats questioned that the police used the "old law" of the colonial era to prosecute, or violated the human rights law and the Basic Law. In an exclusive interview with "Hong Kong 01", the former Secretary of Security, New Democrat Party Chairman Ye Liu Shuyi said that since the crime of "sedition" has been returned without a case, she expects that no matter which party wins the case, the "Tan Dezhi case" will eventually appeal to the final trial. Court. She emphasized that although the relevant regulations began in the 1960s, they are completely constitutional under the Basic Law. The purpose of the regulations is to provoke hate speech. As for whether citizens can no longer call relevant slogans when they participate in demonstrations in the future, Ye Liu believes that it depends on the intentions of the people at the time and the facts on the scene.


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Written by: Peng Zhuowei

2020-09-11 07:00

Last update date: 2020-09-11 07:00

The vice chairman of the People’s Forces, Tan Dezhi, was arrested a few days ago and charged with the crime of "publishing sedition" in the Criminal Offences Ordinance. The "criminal evidence" involved included a number of protest slogans such as "The black police die for the whole family" and " The five major demands are indispensable" and so on.

The democrats questioned that the police used the "old law" of the colonial era to prosecute, or violated the human rights law and the Basic Law.

In an interview with "Hong Kong 01", the former Secretary of Security, New Democrat Party Chairman Ye Liu Shuyi said that since there was no case after the return of the crime of "sedition", she expected that no matter which party wins the case, the "Tan Dezhi case" will eventually appeal to the final trial. Court.

She emphasized that although the relevant regulations began in the 1960s, they are completely constitutional under the Basic Law. The purpose of the regulations is to provoke hate speech.

As for whether citizens can no longer call relevant slogans when they participate in demonstrations in the future, Ye Liu believes that it depends on the intentions of the people at the time and the facts of the scene. If only shouting slogans without any action, it does not necessarily break the law.

Ye Liu said that if citizens protest on specific issues, such as opposing tomorrow's Lantau, it is an economic and people's livelihood issue. It is not a problem if it is not intended to provoke hatred.

However, if someone chants "the five major demands, one is indispensable" and other slogans in the procession and demonstration, and prompts others to commit illegal acts, they may fall into the crime of incitement.

(Photo by Gao Zhongming)

Ye Liu said that freedom of speech is not absolute. She used the United Kingdom as an example to point out that the United Kingdom also has hate crimes. If someone's words and deeds are directed at another person's skin color or religion, it is illegal.

She believes that if citizens protest against specific issues, such as opposition to tomorrow's Lantau, it is an economic and people's livelihood issue, and it is not a problem if it is not intended to provoke hatred.

The former Secretary for Security further exemplified that in the future, if someone chanted relevant slogans during demonstrations, prompting others to commit illegal acts, they might fall into the crime of sedition, and if someone "returns to the house after the call," Not breaking the law; but if you shout slogans in an illegal assembly, you may be charged with participating in an illegal assembly.

She also emphasized that the law mainly targets behaviors, not specific individuals, that is, regardless of whether they are leaders of demonstrations or not, there is a chance that they will be charged if they violate the law.

On September 6th, a police officer threw down a 12-year-old girl Ye Liu during a demonstration on September 6.

During the demonstration on September 6, a riot police officer threw down a 12-year-old girl in Mong Kok and accused her of "being suspicious." After investigation, the girl was formally charged for violating the gathering restriction order, which aroused public concern.

In an interview, Ye Liu took the initiative to talk about the incident and pointed out that sometimes there are differences between the police's law enforcement and the public's perspective. She admitted that the public may feel uneasy after seeing the scene of the day, but if the police have reasonable suspicion, they can be arrested. "Mayday Before we set off, the boss said in the same way that there will be a lot of people gathering that day. If you see someone running, you will have to pull."

Ye Liu emphasized that he does not agree that the public should judge the incident only by partial fragments. As for whether the police made a mistake, it should be handled by the existing mechanism.

She recalled that during her tenure as the Secretary of Security, she disagreed with the independent investigation of police enforcement. "Just as in the anti-revision law turmoil last year, I did not support the establishment of an independent investigation committee to investigate the police. In the end, I failed. I believe I will not do it in the future. ".

She emphasized that the police have professional considerations in law enforcement, but agree that the current relationship between the police and the public is very poor and it takes a long time to repair.

↓↓↓Click to see how a 12-year-old girl was thrown down by a police officer on September 6↓↓↓

Feeling that officials in the Tsang Yam-quan era blindly promoted personal travel to plant the roots of contradictions between China and Hong Kong

Talking about the current political situation in Hong Kong, Ye Liu said that he had communicated with young people in the party earlier and learned that many grassroots young people participated in the demonstration because they felt that they had no future. "Seeing it in Hong Kong is hopeless."

She frankly understands their thinking, "Yijia is very different from our previous generation. We grew up in the era of rapid economic growth, and we must be hardworking to buy the property."

Ye Liu pointed out that in recent years, young people blamed their grievances on the mainland, thinking that the rise of the mainland would affect their opportunities, which made the central government feel very sad.

She believes that in order to save the economy, the Hong Kong government opened too much freedom to enter Hong Kong, which planted the roots of the conflicts between China and Hong Kong in the future.

"The policy of the year fundamentally went wrong. The post-SARS economy was only saved by free exercise, without economic transformation and technological innovation. A policy in 2012 was even more outrageous. There are reasons why the free trade association will open up to Shenzhen without household registration. When migrant workers come to Hong Kong, they will be more and more inferior!" Ye Liu was still quite angry when talking about this matter. She even revealed that a deputy mayor of a province outside Guangdong once told her, "If you open up more If you come to Hong Kong freely, you will soon see people walking in Pacific Place in pajamas."

Ye Liu believes that excessive openness and freedom of movement have led to the rise of nativism, and some actions against parallel buyers have emerged, and citizens' sense of resistance to the mainland has also increased.

The former Chief Executive Donald Tsang had a famous saying during his tenure: "It is hard for Hong Kong to be poor." It means that Hong Kong can rely on finance and tourism to support itself. However, Ip Liu said that ironically, since opening up and coming to Hong Kong freely, there has been a gap between the rich and the poor More and more serious, "only large real estate developers, cosmetics chain stores, and famous stores benefited, but did not help the grassroots." In the end, today's deep-seated contradictions are formed.

She emphasized that she had no intention of targeting any government, but described that the Tsang Yam-kuen government was relatively complacent and only saw the life of the upper class society, but ignored the plight of the grassroots.

As for land and housing, Ye Liu described the period from 2002 to 2014 as a "great backwardness". "The construction of public housing was stopped and no land was built." However, the population continued to rise, the government lacked forward-looking thinking, and later two chief executives. It is too late to catch up with the progress of building houses.

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Source: hk1

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