"I'm still afraid of him," says Bushido in this podcast about his former music manager Arafat Abou-Chaker.
The rapper does not come alone to the interview with SPIEGEL TV: several officers from the Berlin State Criminal Police Office accompany him.
Bushido is currently under police protection due to a dangerous situation.
Because Arafat Abou-Chaker is not just anyone.
The man is at the head of a notorious extended family whose members are on record with the Berlin police for prostitution, robbery, assault, money laundering and drug trafficking, among other things.
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Arafat and Bushido used to be a successful team.
But the friendship between the two has turned into hatred after the musician terminated the business relationship with his manager and patron saint.
Abou-Chaker is now on trial for predatory extortion, deprivation of liberty, dangerous bodily harm, coercion, insult and infidelity.
Bushido is a witness and co-plaintiff in the trial.
How did the rift come about?
How many millions is it actually about?
What power does the Abou-Chaker clan have in the rap business?
And why did a perfectly normal garden fence lead to the escalation?
All of that clears up the first episode of this podcast.
The two investigative reporters Thomas Heise and Claas Meyer-Heuer are "under interrogation" with Christina Pohl.
You have been researching for years in the milieu of criminal large Arab families.
They won the Bavarian TV Prize for their documentaries, and their book "The Power of the Clans" is a SPIEGEL bestseller.
You can hear the current episode here: