America
"I've released four international songs so far, and in relation to the industry there it's a crazy pace. Everything works there very slowly, very meticulous bureaucracy. The strategy is to keep putting out songs until the right song catches on - and from there we'll shell out a lot more, but I understand it takes time.
"In the United States, songs are not released for radio as in Israel, but for streaming, and only if the song explodes - are they released for radio.
Sometimes I say to myself 'come on, what do you need 17 meetings with 17 people for', but I have to adapt to America.
Now we're working more on social media, let's release a chorus of a song for Tiktok, see if it catches on - and only then decide whether to release the song.
"Obviously there are sometimes thoughts that it might not happen. It's the biggest thing in the world, and today I understand that it's not just up to me. In Israel I have my foot on the gas all day, and in America the style is different. But then I tell myself there is no chance it will not happen." .
Are you thinking of moving to the US?
"Only if a song explodes there for me or something else dramatic happens, because right now I will not destroy everything I built in Israel. In the meantime I do things in parallel, and record everything remotely. When a song explodes everything develops at faster levels, and I will have to be available. I hope That it will happen, the question is when. "
Reviews
"I have a complex relationship with it. In the beginning all I wanted was for them to talk about me. I got reviews, but it did not move me, because I was excited that I was interested in someone at all. At some point, pretty quickly, we redirected the noise to a positive place. I'm busy and I have a bit of insecurity, and that can make an impact. It's self-work I do all the time.
"I have a problem when lies are written about me, because I'm always real with the media and I expect it to be reciprocal. I have no problem sometimes exaggerating, but when things are invented it sucks and drives me crazy. "And we were not created, and there is no chance in the world that I will hurt someone else's livelihood. I have very high self-confidence on stage, and it does not matter who you put next to me. I have no problem pardoning anyone."
In our last interview I asked you about Margie, and the denial that you broke up.
"I swear to you it was a moment before the parting, and there was no actual parting yet. I will never lie. Two hours after the parting we have already issued the message."
"I'm in a good and in love relationship, but will always have this coach in my heart because Margie was a part of my life, and I guess it's reciprocal. But we're moving on. We talked recently on WhatsApp. We had birthdays, and wished each other good luck."
"I swear to you it was a moment before the breakup."
Kirl and Margie, Photo: Ambulance Signal Cover
Pride
"When we released 'Three Girls,' I had some hesitations. Because after 'Trilli Trella,' which was a really good song, it's scary to put out another song. But Roberto (Ben Shoshan, her agent, A.S.) told me, 'After every hit there will be Are you afraid and will not release songs? '.
We decided to give it a try, we recorded 'Three Girls' and it was so fun and funny, because Tutit (Gitit Fischer) is a genius. "
What do you think of the criticism that straight singers record proud songs for commercial reasons?
"The community hugs me, and I hug her back. If you can put out a happy and fun song - why not? There's no commercial consideration here for me, and this week I had a performance at a pride party without money."
Duets
"Eden Ben Zaken and I recorded one song, and she liked it less. Then we recorded another song that we both liked, but then we got dressed with the picture and things started to go wrong. Every time someone else we both did not like something - and we decided to get off of it.
"It happens sometimes, when great artists try to work together and don't always manage to put it into practice. Sometimes when things don't work out too much, you have to know how to let go. I really like Eden and her way.
"I was a little disappointed because I thought it was a strong female connection that could do very well. Eden is very supportive of me and I support her, and I hope it happens more between us."
Open performance
"Twice I hosted friends at Live Park, and I did the 'Double' show at Menorah, but now I have a show at Yarkon Park - and it's a project of my life. You do not know how long I have been waiting for this thing.
"I'm finally freeing myself up, and I have no fear. This is my forte. I was waiting to do something that was not here. Roberto cares about money, and in this case we do not care, because we are fulfilling my dream here. A dream I have been waiting for my whole career. Now I feel mature To do a show like this, with dancers and musicians. "
Could the show have been done in a smaller venue?
"If Beyoncé comes here, where will she appear? In Hayarkon Park. And that's my reference."
"That's my reference."
Beyonce, Photo: EPA
Worker's committees
"At the end of the interview I go for makeup and hair, because I have a big appearance in front of a staff committee. I know they say it's good money in a very short time, but when I work I do not think about how much money I make. I enjoy, and obviously it is also a good livelihood. The money that comes in now will go to a show in the park. "
"I do not think about how much money I make."
Noa Kirl, Photo: Vivian Arthur
Zack Anna
"She's cool and she has her part. I think in the spirit of the period it's not cool to take two singers, put them head to head and create a rivalry that does not exist, at least on my part. We talk a lot about not having enough singers on the radio and in general, "When I started, there was almost no one, and that's part of my mission. I just have a paragon and a love to give out."
How do you explain the lack of paragon?
"I'm aware that my name is sometimes used to generate interest, but my conscience is clear and I really like and applaud. I think Anna's songs are great, and she found her way. It happened to her too.
"I also think it's a question for me, Lake Bohbot and Eden Ben Zaken are very talented and stunning. There can be no one, and we have to cheer and lift each other up.
"By the way, I do not take the attempt to create a quarrel between me and other singers to the negative place. On the contrary, they are constantly trying to compare me, so I am probably in an amazing place. The thing is, sometimes I feel that they do it badly."
And you are offended?
"Yes, because I'm not a man of lack of paragon, and I will not put my feet up. I work with my heart and soul, and when they hurt me I get hurt," she tears.
"I am very sensitive and take to heart on a personal level. It brings me back to my less good days than the past. I feel like a rejected girl who is envied, a girl who had no friends.
"My parents educated me to be a good person and to concentrate on myself, not to mess with others. I hear people talking about me in the industry, and it hurts me. Hard things are said about me and I tell myself I'm strong and try not to get hurt - but I'm not successful.
"This preoccupation is flattering, but also difficult. They are constantly trying to get me out of the 'non-accommodating', but if you notice, they are always complimenting each other - and will never compliment me. Because they see my strength and because of my success."
membership
"I can count on one hand real companies outside the industry, which I know even before the publication. I do not need more than that. I am a very bad company in terms of availability, but they understand me, and when I put a meeting with companies on schedule - I do not move .
They know I'm always here for them, and I know it's mutual.
We have a very strong connection. "
Are there any friends who did not stay with you after you became famous?
"Yes. It's a natural process because I grew up a little bit, maybe faster than others. There are also new companies I knew from the industry and from joint projects.
"I guess there are companies that want to be with me out of interest, and I also know how to identify them, even though there are times I'm a little naive and fall for it. There are some, and you have to know not to let them get close. "I'm behind my back. Everything's fine."
"There were times when I thought people in the industry were my friends, but then got dirty behind my back," Photo: Oren Ben Hakon
Mistakes
"Everyone makes mistakes along the way, and that's an integral part of this profession. The things I went through in the beginning and the way I went through since then are also part of my process, and all of these have brought me to where I am today.
"An example of a mistake I made was that I did not watch Margie's hit in a 'Yes' commercial. There was no intention here to hurt him, nor anyone, and I think the public understands that. In retrospect, if I had known it would hurt anyone - I would never have Doing so, but for a moment I did not think it would be the reaction.
"In my opinion, they made a much bigger noise than the thing itself. They celebrated about it much more than necessary, and there was an attempt to leverage it. I can tell you that if I had received a private message from Margie, I would have immediately apologized to him and everyone. We are no strangers, and I "I do not think it should have come out in the media before I know it. I worked on my breaths and was not sucked into it. I think people also like to see that not everything is perfect and shiny."
I think this was the first time you received public criticism.
"In the beginning I was abducted a lot more, and even in this case there were criticisms. I had a hard time, and that's behind us. Yehuda Levy said in 'A Very Important Man' that if you show the media that you are weak - they will eat you like scoundrels. "Less good and I cried from the situation. But I went through that too and got stronger."
Maybe you should have come and said, "First of all, I apologize."
"I felt that everything I did would be used against me."
"I did not anticipate the injury."
Kiral and Margie's double in a "Yes" commercial, Photo: Screen
Yes
"It's a great honor to be the face of such a great company, and their whole campaign is insane. They combine all my abilities in every commercial. Yes make a way with me because they strongly believe in me, and that's beyond the campaign. They also want to record songs all the time, and I love It.
"The next campaign will focus on Disney Plus and the Liss connection, and there's all of Disney, The Kardashians and 'Grey's Anatomy,' a series I was addicted to. In general, I was a Disney girl, but more in the direction of Hannah Montana. It's a significant move, and we'll focus on it."
Of money
"Money does not motivate me. This is the side that Roberto takes care of, along with my dad. Roberto says that because of cancellations in Corona we lost millions."
But your campaigns have not gone down.
"I can not do something I do not like. I am a Samsung ambassador, a Puma presenter and more. I would not take anything that does not speak to me. I once did not agree to be photographed in swimwear, but today I am more open to it. There were campaigns that offered me a lot of money, "And I did not take because I did not connect. Soon there will be a campaign for my hair brand and a new line of makeup products."
What campaigns are you leading today?
Pelephone, Bezeq International, Puma, Samsung and my products. "
Use all its capabilities.
Noa Kirl in an advertisement for yes and Disney Plus, photo: PR yes
Lia Sean
"Wait, who is it?"
Your ex's current partner, Margie.
"Oh sorry, how flying I am. Of course I heard about her, but we do not know."
Report that you met at the event.
"We were at the same event, but we did not meet or talk. I do not know her and I do not know what to say. I know like everyone else, from the outside. Jonathan will always be dear to my heart and I always want him to be well, and I hope they are well together.
"I'm after, and I'm in a good, loving relationship, but I'll always have this coach in my heart, because Margie is someone who's been a part of my life, and I guess it's reciprocal - and it's happening to everyone, too. But we're moving on. We talked recently on WhatsApp. Birthdays, and we wished each other good luck. "
What did you write to him?
"We are not in daily contact, so it was a basic blessing, but there was a good atmosphere. From my side I see Jonathan as a housemate and he is part of my family. I was not hurt by him, and there was always a good vibe there. I will always have good energy towards him."
What did you think of his haircut?
"I know him, and I think he's growing up and wants to change. When you live under criticism and reactions, you sometimes want to do the opposite, and that's legitimate. If he likes it, that's the most important thing."
"Not in everyday contact."
Noa Kirl and Jonathan Margie, Photo: Eran Levy
Weight
"There was a time when I was very busy with my weight, and today I think you deal with it less. I concentrate on feeling healthy and strong and eating healthy. I work very hard, and I have to be careful about it. I do not move training, because it's my time with myself and I fell in love with it. Also external effect and there is more toning.I am always under surveillance and not doing anything unhealthy.
"The goal is not to lose weight but to get stronger, but I think no matter what I do, there will always be those who have something to say. If I get fat they will say I'm fat, and vice versa. I can not live by what people say. Even when I was fuller, I did not go with I'm not skinny and I succeed. She told me I had no idea how much influence I had on girls who suffered from it. "
How did you react?
"She asked how I contained that weight. I told her I did not go with a sticker on my forehead, and did not come to convey a message against eating disorders. But it is amazing that this important message just passed. I always convey health, because I really care about it."
There was one picture where your ribs really stood out. It drew quite a few reactions.
"It depends a lot on the position, but you see me now and you see I'm healthy. Yesterday I wanted a hamburger and home fries - and I ate. I eat what I like. I will not give up a hamburger for a salad."
"Sometimes my name is used to generate interest."
Noa Kirl and Anna Zack, Photo: Ohad Romano and Shai Tamir
Noa Kirel
"It's hard for me to talk about myself, because it can sound arrogant. I'm happy with where I am, and I'm most proud of myself for not changing, that I stayed with my feet on the ground. I allow myself to be proud of my accomplishments. I feel blessed and satisfied, and I remember every day "It's not obvious, certainly not at my young age. I still have a lot of desires and dreams."
What would you say to 12-year-old Noa?
"You do not know what you are going to go through. It is much more than advertising and music, but also important messages for so many people. I would also tell her to learn to rest and make a stop sometimes, because that is a problem for me."
"My body collapsed. I was rehearsing for the 'Dancing with the Stars' special, I performed as usual and was also photographed for series - and the body could not stand it. I could not get out of bed. I got to the emergency room and it was a red light. I rested for two days and got up.
"I allow myself to be proud of my accomplishments."
Noa Kirl at the EMA Ceremony, Photo: GettyImages
Drugs
"I saw drugs around me from a relatively young age, because I'm around a lot of people older than me, but I do not understand it and do not touch anything. I know what I want, purposeful, and at no point did the drugs talk to me."
Alcohol?
"If you let me drink wine now I'll make a sour face. I try to be mature and taste, but it does not taste good to me. I do like cocktails, but from one glass I am already affected. I am very control freak, and I will not get into a state of loss of control. It "It's not going to happen. Suppose I could have a little cocktail and have a nice head, but it did not happen. Suppose I vomited."
You do not need alcohol to enjoy.
Noa Kirl, Photo: Israel Today
Eden Hasson
"I was supposed to perform with him at Hayarkon Park, and we were already doing rehearsals and recordings, but Eden and his managers decided to cancel the show. I was very hurt by it on a personal level because we worked on it very hard. In his production we were blamed for something we had nothing to do with.
"An item was posted on the Internet following a photo of our paparazzi together, a photo you posted. That item was titled 'Eden Hasson with a Reinforcement Actress' (which Hasson saw as an insult, as if an artist in his position needed the help of another coach; A.S.).
They were sure we had taken out the item, but we had no connection to this publication.
Eden called me and said, 'Why is your agent working like this?'.
At one point I got upset, and also hurt, because why blame Roberto for something like that?
Roberto was even willing to go to the polygraph, to prove.
"Eden was supposed to be a guest at my show as well, and its managers announced that in any case he had performances that day and canceled the collaboration, which is a shame."
Are you angry?
"Yes, but I do not blame Eden, because I know for myself how items in the media can influence decisions. I learned from this incident and took it as a lesson. I just know I would not behave like that. There may be items that will upset me, but I reset within a few subtlety".
There were rumors that she was the one who canceled the show, because of other singers who were supposed to be hosted.
"Do you think so? I knew in advance that everyone would show up there."
"I learned from this incident and took it as a lesson."
Eden Hasson, Photo: Ronen Padida
Playback
"I sound great live, and I also work on it very hard, but there are times I show up when I'm in parallel with a million projects, and I'm hoarse. But there's no way I'm not singing at all. The microphone is always open at some level."
What will happen in Hayarkon Park?
"The show in the park will be live. I take a sound development lesson every day. If you saw the show at Maccabi Haifa's celebrations, it was live and it sounded like a shell. But when there are 17 shows a week, there is no choice."
By the way, some of the spectators left in the middle because of the conflict with the club. Are you stressed?
"My father and Tomer (the priest, Kirel's partner, SS) are fans of Maccabi Haifa, and I did it for them, first of all.
Before the show there was an interest that the fans went down to the pitch, and there was a serious mess, a real fear that I would not go up.
Once they were asked to get off the field, they decided to get out at all because they did not like the request.
But it was not against me, so I was not hurt or pressured.
"Yes, I was afraid that they would take things out of context and think that they would come out of me."
"Anna Zack is cool and she has her piece. I think in the spirit of the period it's not cool to take two singers, put them head to head and create a rivalry that does not exist, at least on my part. I am most in favor of having as many singers as possible. That is part of my mission."
Noa Kirl in Sami Ofer.
Performance in front of empty stands, Photo: Alan Schieber
Photos
Have you considered taking your foot off the gas?
"ככה זה נראה כשאני מורידה רגל מהגז. אני יורה לכל הכיוונים, יש לי הרבה רעיונות, אני לא נחה ויש לי עוד הרבה חלומות. המצב שאתה רואה עכשיו זה אחרי שהורדתי הרבה דברים. לאחרונה הצטלמתי לסדרה 'פלמח' בדמותה של שולמית אלוני (בקרוב בערוץ טין ניק, yes), ולמרות שהיה לי מאוד לחוץ, התעקשתי לקחת את זה. ישבתי לא מזמן עם רוברטו והוא אמר לי, 'את זוכרת מה היה בצילומים של 'כפולה', שהתמוטטת?' אני יודעת שלפעמים אני מגזימה והגוף כבר אותת לי פעם אחת וסיימתי במיון".
מה קרה שם?
"הגוף שלי קרס. הייתי בחזרות לספיישל 'רוקדים עם כוכבים', הופעתי כרגיל וגם הצטלמתי לסדרות - והגוף לא עמד בזה. לא הרגשתי טוב, ופשוט לא הצלחתי לקום מהמיטה. הגעתי למיון לבדיקות וביטלתי הופעה. ככה זה איתי, ככל שאני מצליחה יותר - זה לא נרגע".
את מכורה?
"כן, אבל בקטע טוב. הבוקר ההוא במיון היה נורה אדומה, ולפעמים אני מקבלת סימן שאני צריכה לנוח. נחתי יומיים וקמתי. יאללה נועה, מה הדבר הבא?"
ראיתי את סבב הברים עם השיר "פעמון" והתעייפתי בשבילך.
"חשבתי שאעשה ארבעה ברים אבל עברנו 15, ואתה לא מבין איזה כיף זה לראות את התגובות של האנשים. אולי זה יישמע מוזר, אבל גם אני צריכה את האישור הזה, לדעת שאנשים אוהבים אותי".
למרות הכל, על הפסטיגל נאלצת לבטל.
"ההפקה הזאת יקרה לליבי, והם גם מפיקים לי את המופע בפארק הירקון, אבל אחרי ארבע שנים אני לא אשתתף, והיה לי ממש קשה לקבל את ההחלטה הזאת. ההפקה הזאת מאוד אינטנסיבית, ולוקחת חמישה חודשים מהשנה. אני לא יכולה להתחייב. בשנה שעברה 'אטלנטיק' כעסו שלא יכולתי להגיע לארה"ב כשהם היו צריכים אותי, וידעתי שהשנה זה לא יחזור. מי יכול להגיד לי מה נכון? צריך לקבל החלטות ולקחת סיכונים, ואם אני אפול אני אקום".
היה לך קשה לקבל את ההחלטה הזאת?
"עדיין קשה לי. אני אוהבת להיות בהפקות גדולות, אני לא רוצה לוותר ואני רוצה להיות חלק. הבעיה הכי גדולה שלי היא שאני מבינה שאני לא יכולה להיות גם, גם, גם וגם. זה היתרון הכי גדול שלי וגם החיסרון. מי יכול להגיד לי מה נכון? צריך לקבל החלטות וצריך לקחת סיכונים, ואם אני אפול אני אקום".
גם היה מקרה שאושפזת.
"יש לי כליה אחת והיתה לי דלקת ואשפזו אותי, ולכן נאלצתי לא להיות בשתי הופעות בפסטיגל. מבחינתי ומבחינת ההפקה זה היה משבר. אמרתי להם תקשיבו, נצא מהאשפוז, אני אעלה להופיע ונחזור. אני יודעת שיש ילדים שיתבאסו, וזה מבאס אותי לא פחות".
אליאנה תדהר ונועה קירל בפסטיגל, צילום: אור דנון
קורונה
"הייתי קצת מצוננת ועשיתי בדיקה, והיא יצאה חיובית. נלחצתי מאוד. פחדתי שאולי הדבקתי מישהו. אתה יודע כמה אנשים ראיתי בזמן הזה? אבל ברוך השם, לא היו לי תסמינים ולא הדבקתי אף אחד סביבי.
"ברגע שקיבלתי את התשובה לבדיקה נבהלתי מאוד. אבל עברתי את זה טוב, וניצלתי את הימים האלה כדי לנוח ולישון. כולם אמרו לי, 'יופי, עכשיו יש לך זמן לנוח' - ואני השתגעתי בבית".
הרבה אמנים לא מצאו את עצמם בתקופת הקורונה.
"בזמן שאף אחד לא הופיע, אני הופעתי בפני חיילים. ניצלתי גם את הזמן הזה להתפתחות עצמית ולעבודה בחו"ל. הקורונה היתה הפעם הראשונה שישבתי בבית בלי לעשות כלום. בהתחלה קצת חששתי שאני אתחרפן, אבל בסוף ניצלתי את השקט הזה. אני חושבת שהקורונה לימדה אותי לעשות גם הפסקות".
כמו אבא שני. רוברטו בן שושן, צילום: דניאל אלסטר
רוברטו
"יש לי יחסים מאוד מעניינים עם רוברטו. לוקח הרבה זמן לבנות אמון, וההורים שלי מאוד מעורבים. הם תמיד היו חומת מגן. היום, אחרי כמה שנים ביחד, אני יודעת שרוברטו הוא הסוכן הכי טוב בעולם. לא בארץ, אלא בעולם. ואם הוא היה שומע את זה עכשיו - הוא היה בוכה. יש לו רעיונות וחשיבה גאוניים. כשהוא מאמין במשהו הוא יהפוך עולמות כדי שזה יקרה, וזאת בדיוק הגישה של ההורים שלי ושלי. הוא תמיד עם רגל על הגז. אומר הכל בפרצוף וגם אומר שמאוד חשוב לו כסף".
יש ביניכם חילוקי דעות?
"כל הזמן. היו תקופות שהייתי בתוך עצמי, וחשבתי שאולי אני יודעת יותר טוב ממנו, אולי יש לו אינטרס. אבל היום אני סומכת עליו בעיניים עצומות ואני אאמין לכל דבר שלו. אני יודעת שהוא רוצה שאני אהיה הכוכבת הכי גדולה בעולם, והוא יעשה הכל כדי שזה יקרה. זה הבנאדם שאני רוצה שיהיה איתי במסע הזה. הוא האבא השני שלי".
"אני לא בנאדם של חוסר פרגון, ולא אשים רגליים. אני עובדת עם הלב והנשמה, וכשפוגעים בי אני נפגעת. אני מאוד רגישה ולוקחת ללב ברמה האישית. זה מחזיר אותי לימים פחות טובים שלי מהעבר. אני מרגישה כמו ילדה דחויה"
שינה
"יש תקופות שאני ישנה שמונה שעות בלילה, ויש תקופות של שלוש-ארבע שעות. אני לא ישנה הרבה ואני עובדת קשה. יש מצבים שאני פתאום נרדמת באמצע צילומים, אבל בשנייה שנדלקת המצלמה אני מייד חוזרת לעצמי. בתקופה ששיחקתי בסדרה 'פלמח' לא ישנתי. קמתי כל יום בארבע בבוקר, הופעתי, חזרתי הביתה, למדתי טקסטים - והתעוררתי שוב ליום הבא".
"לא חשבתי שאהיה שוב בזוגיות כל כך מהר, ורציתי לחוות טיפה את הלבד, אבל זה היה טוב מכדי לוותר עליו. בהתחלה חשבתי שזה נכון לי להיות לבד, והיו לי לבטים ומחשבות, אבל אם זה טוב וזה עושה לי טוב - למה שאוותר על זה?"
האשימו אותו בפרידה. מרגי (מימין) ותומר הכהן, צילום: מתוך האינסטגרם
תומר הכהן
"אין ילד כזה. הוא אוהב, מכיל, דואג, מתעניין. הכרנו בצילומי קליפ לסדרה 'כפולה', שבה שיחקתי, אבל אז לא קרה שום דבר, וגם לא חשבתי שיקרה. בקליפ נוצר בינינו קשר בסיסי וידידותי, שהתפתח בצורה טבעית ונורמלית. בשלב מסוים זה פשוט קרה, ותומר נכנס לי לחיים. ידעתי שאני לא יכולה לוותר על הדבר הטוב הזה".
גם עבורו הכניסה לזוגיות איתך היתה לא קלה.
"נכון, האשימו אותו בפרידה שלי ממרגי. זה לא היה נעים. היה לו קשה, כי הוא גם לא כל כך מכיר את התחום, והוא הרגיש שעוד לא מכירים אותו - וכבר לא אוהבים אותו. כולו טוב ונתינה. קשה לי לראות שקשה לו עם התגובות, כי הוא בסך הכל נקלע לסיטואציה והוא מתמודד עם משהו שלא מגיע לו. הוא מאוד מפרגן ושמח בשבילי על הקריירה שלי. כל הזמן שואל ומתעניין, וכיף לראות את זה. אני באמת מרגישה פרגון אמיתי".
את בחורה מאוד זוגית.
"I did not think I would be in a relationship so soon again, and I wanted to experience a little bit of the loneliness, but it was too good to give up. At first I thought it was right for me to be alone, and I had doubts and thoughts, but if it's good and it makes me good ? "
Who is the most romantic of you?
"There is nothing like Tomer. He is one of the men of yesteryear. Comes to my mother on Fridays with flowers. Jonathan was lovely too, but Tomer is Tomer. He is a completely different style."
erans@israelhayom.co.il
Location - The Setai Miami, Photographer - Vivian Arthur, Styling - Hassni Caina, Makeup - Joanne Marchevsky, Hair - Tzahi Musa
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