Cardina Becciu rejects the accusations: "It wasn't me who had Chaouqui arrested"

"She, you will have understood, has something against me. Indeed, a lot against me. And one of the accusations that I

her and that I had no mercy on her condition as a pregnant woman. It's a lie, false, it happened in early November 2015. I was in my country, in Sardinia. It was Commander Giani who questioned her and he called me: I arrested Mrs.

. I told him: 'Are you crazy?'. No, I had every reason to do it.' Then he said later that he was pregnant, it was only a few months old. How can you see at three months? I totally reject it".

Thus the

on Francesca Chaouqui.

In a spontaneous declaration in the courtroom at the end of the interrogation of the witness Francesca Immacolata Chapuqui, Cardinal Anelo Becciu said he recognized "that after this day it is not easy for me to speak calmly. I wanted to say that I almost harbor a feeling of jealousy in Compared to him, it is so easy to say I the Holy Father, I go, I return, I in the name of the Holy Father. I acted as a substitute, I didn't have this ease of going to the Pope, of carrying orders".

"Referring to Cosea - he continued -, he says that he used to come to the Secretariat of State, he imposed himself on Perlasca. It seems strange to me ... Usually whoever comes is the president of Cosea and first asks the substitute and asks if he can enter with collaborators and have documents of the office, that's strange and not very truthful. How is it possible that he has material?"

"Since I left the office, I have nothing left - he underlined -, I can't keep a sheet from the office, everyone has to leave with an empty bag, the documents are left, I'm surprised that I have these sheets. It's against all the rules. How can someone like that have documents if they're sensitive?"

"He mentioned the messages, I still have them all here, how can he say that they are from Mrs. Marogna who manages my accounts? - continued Becciu - I have them all here, without an answer. And do you know why? Because when I was talking about it with the Holy Father he told me I advise you not to answer. I only answered once for Christmas, son's smiley, best wishes I told her. You can't say that they are managed by who knows who".

"They are messages in which he praises, in which he presents me with the best of all,

I attended the SDS commission which had to decide whether to proceed with the denunciation of the authors of the publication of the secret docs or proceed with administrative dismissal.

The commission, all of them, pronounced themselves in favor of the complaint to the magistrates.

The commander brought results to the Pope and the Pope authorized the denunciation.

They may be reasons for hatred, but they are the only ones I have dealt with with Chaouqui in the Vatican".

On the pardon question, "it's true you sent me Lojudice, your parish priest whom I welcomed, and I said: 'Present your request formally and I will take it to the Holy Father'. I presented it, his answer was this: 'Your Excellency, no give me this name again in here". 'Holy Father, there isn't much time left, let's be satisfied'. He repeats: "Don't give me this name again in here, I do not intend to grant the pardon. Vatican, this woman must not enter".

We were in 2017." 

The hearing

It was a very eventful hearing, in which the president

struggled to keep the debate on the assigned track, amid polemical accents, protests by the defence, impulsivity and outbursts of the two witnesses, today's one in the Vatican Tribunal in the process on the management of the funds of the Secretariat of State, in which the witnesses Genoveffa Ciferri and Francesca Immacolata Chaouqui.

In particular, the former spoke of her friendship with Msgr.

Alberto Perlasca, former head of the Administrative Office, to whom he also registered a house and his properties in Greccio (Rieti), of having wanted to help him when he was being investigated in the investigation - by also going to the home of card.

Becciu to support the need to exonerate him, after having feared for an administration of barbiturates to his friend and associate of him, of the fact that the cardinal,

his superior as deputy for General Affairs, kept him "in a state of awe beyond all imagination".

The woman - a Franciscan tertiary, former collaborator of the Dis as an analyst and geostrategist - also reported having received for a long time "extensive and detailed information on the course of the investigation" from Chaouqui herself, who boasted of "a common strategy with the promoter of justice Diddi , with Prof. Milan, with the Gendarmerie and even with the Holy Father".

You said you were aware, having been informed by Chaouqui, of a plan to arrest the accused Cecilia Marogna on Vatican soil, inviting her to the Secretariat of State, except for the fact that Cardinal Pietro Parolin allegedly withdrew.

The woman - a Franciscan tertiary, former collaborator of the Dis as an analyst and geostrategist - also reported having received for a long time "extensive and detailed information on the course of the investigation" from Chaouqui herself, who boasted of "a common strategy with the promoter of justice Diddi , with Prof. Milan, with the Gendarmerie and even with the Holy Father".

You said you were aware, having been informed by Chaouqui, of a plan to arrest the accused Cecilia Marogna on Vatican soil, inviting her to the Secretariat of State, except for the fact that Cardinal Pietro Parolin allegedly withdrew.

The woman - a Franciscan tertiary, former collaborator of the Dis as an analyst and geostrategist - also reported having received for a long time "extensive and detailed information on the course of the investigation" from Chaouqui herself, who boasted of "a common strategy with the promoter of justice Diddi , with Prof. Milan, with the Gendarmerie and even with the Holy Father".

You said you were aware, having been informed by Chaouqui, of a plan to arrest the accused Cecilia Marogna on Vatican soil, inviting her to the Secretariat of State, except for the fact that Cardinal Pietro Parolin allegedly withdrew.

who boasted of "a common strategy with the promoter of justice Diddi, with Professor Milan, with the Gendarmerie and even with the Holy Father".

You said you were aware, having been informed by Chaouqui, of a plan to arrest the accused Cecilia Marogna on Vatican soil, inviting her to the Secretariat of State, except for the fact that Cardinal Pietro Parolin allegedly withdrew.

who boasted of "a common strategy with the promoter of justice Diddi, with Professor Milan, with the Gendarmerie and even with the Holy Father".

You said you were aware, having been informed by Chaouqui, of a plan to arrest the accused Cecilia Marogna on Vatican soil, inviting her to the Secretariat of State, except for the fact that Cardinal Pietro Parolin allegedly withdrew.