Hanau debate at Lanz: Detective gives worrying insight - "It is very obvious ..."

The ZDF broadcasts a special program after the act of violence in Hanau - what a senior criminal officer says makes one listen.

• Detective Commissioner Sebastian Fiedler was a guest of "Markus Lanz" on Thursday evening.
• The ZDF talk show was about the bloody deed in Hanau .
• Fiedler made a dark assessment in the group - and an urgent appeal.

Hamburg - haven't we looked enough? How can it be that society is becoming more and more sensitive to violence - while increasing brutalization and ruthlessness ? Questions that come to mind after the bloody attack in Hanau with eleven deaths, and which ZDF moderator Markus Lanz asked on Thursday in his TV talk.

Shortly after the “Maybrit Illner” special on the topic, guests were guests including Olaf Sundermeyer (investigative journalist and extremism expert), Nahlah Saimeh (psychiatrist and forensic scientist) and Sebastian Fiedler (head of the Federation of German Criminal Police Officers ).

Hanau talk at Lanz (ZDF): Why did the perpetrator get a gun?

Someone who wants to own a gun in Germany has to be "of legal age, reliable and personally suitable", Lanz introduced his question to Detective Fiedler. Gun owners should not be drug addicts or mentally ill . Can it be explained that the perpetrator from Hanau had a gun? "Not for me at the moment!" Answered Fiedler. "Because it is quite obvious that he shouldn't have had them."

Fiedler continued: According to the current state of knowledge, the perpetrator from Hanau was known to the authorities because of his various criminal charges , which suggested "persecution ideas" - "Whether he became known in the right place will be one of the questions that one is asked must now follow up, ”added Fiedler bitterly.

Lanz (ZDF) on shooting in Hanau: criminal commissioner shoots against Facebook & Co.

The perpetrator from Hanau was apparently not only in a "anti-democratic", but even in a "criminally relevant filter bubble", said the investigator - and also identified the Internet companies as part of the problem: "We have to be aware of it that this is a discussion space operated by a commercial enterprise. "

Anyone who wants to open an account with a bank, for example, has to show his ID . He was therefore completely incomprehensible as to why there were no such regulations for an account on social media . "When I ask as a security agency, for example, who has threatened a politician with death, I already have the expectation that I can be told who it was." "It is an absurdity that we have no political consensus The studio audience applauded violently at this point.

Events in Hanau Topic with Markus Lanz (ZDF): "Severely disturbed personality"

Psychiatrist Nahla Saime h pointed out that in Hanau it was an "act in public space caused by a complex, severely disturbed personality". She believes that somebody like the Hanau shooter will be exposed at some point: "At the latest when he starts his 'journey through time' in the right-wing radical forum, the others will also understand that something else is going on alongside," she said.

This argument makes Fiedler visibly dissatisfied: "It may be - but apparently there was no one who had a problem with it and stepped out." What Fiedler urgently wants: drastically more precaution against acts like the one in Hanau. Right-wing violence is not a new phenomenon, as a chronology by Merkur.de * shows. The political debate about the consequences of the fact is already in full swing.

Amok prevention safety expert at Lanz (ZDF): "The worrying news is ..."

Fiedler referred to the counseling network on the topic of amok prevention at the University of Gießen , which has "networks in the security authorities". "They get four to five calls a week," from worried teachers, parents or work colleagues. "The worrying news from their side is that there are many who say, 'I've been to the police before and haven't been taken seriously here,'" he added.

One could not accuse the police of this, since it was not qualified "for such matters". Therefore, one has to expand and support "low-threshold offers" like that of the University of Gießen as an effective instrument outside of the security authorities. A point in which he also agrees with investigative journalist Sundermeyer and psychiatrist Saimeh : "If we believed that we could only tackle such problems with the instruments of the state security authorities, we would create false security," said the tenor.

More about Hanau in the video: Residents film the crime scene with their cell phones

An extremism expert also explained the background to the Hanau deed in an interview with Munich's Merkur *.