Pablo Iglesias is clear that the tensions of the coalition are going to be the usual trend of this legislature and he asks the Spanish and the socialist allies themselves to get used to and learn from Italy, a country that has had complicated coalition governments for decades.
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On the occasion of the bilateral Spain-Italy summit in Mallorca in which the vice president participates with a score of Spanish and Italian ministers, Iglesias speaks openly of these tensions, which re-emerged on Tuesday when La Moncloa had to rectify after having left him out of the political body that will manage the European recovery fund.
"We have a lot to learn from Italy about coalition governments," says the vice president.
To the surprise of the journalist, who asks him if Italy seems to him a positive example, given its instability, Iglesias insists on trying to normalize the tension.
"In Spain we have a hard time understanding what a coalition government is.
It is normal that there are differences and internal tensions, because the parties have different ideas and interests.
This in Italy is natural, it is internalized.
This is the key to democracy.
It is the expression of what the citizens vote, who in turn have different interests ”, sentence.
However, in recent days, the clashes between the PSOE and United We can have risen in tone, especially after the amendment to the Budgets presented by the formation led by Iglesias, together with ERC and Bildu, to paralyze evictions.
A decision that has generated some discomfort among the socialists and that has led to open criticism from some members of the Government, considering it a disloyalty of their minority partner.
“It is logical that there are tensions, we represent different things and we have different pressures.
The objectives may be different.
But this is part of the coalition governments ”, reiterated the leader of Podemos.
The agreement with Bildu to carry out the General State Budgets, sponsored by the leader of United We Can, has also generated debate among the socialist sector of the Executive.
However, Iglesias considered a success "Spanish democracy" the presence of the left
in elections and negotiations, and pointed out
is the second force in the Basque Country.
"Sometimes the right has to create ghosts that no longer exist, it is obscene that, not knowing what to say about the economic measures, they use terrorism," he has settled, claiming that the new public accounts will be approved, predictably, with the support of the bloc investiture, after ERC's yes this Tuesday.
During the interview there were no shortage of questions about the Monarchy.
Iglesias has called "shameful" the departure of Juan Carlos I from Spain to the United Arab Emirates.
According to the second vice president, the issue opens a debate on the Crown: "Only the right and especially the far right identify with the monarchy and this is a huge problem that makes Spain sooner or later a Republic", he assured.
In these months, there has been a debate on whether it is appropriate to discuss the institutional form of the State in the midst of a pandemic.
Asked about it, Iglesias has said that he is aware that there are other emergencies, but has affirmed that it is not necessary to "cover your eyes."
"The polls, done by independent media, say that there is already a Republican majority, I hope the PSOE is convinced," he commented.
The leader of Unidos Podemos has always been at the center of the debate for his position on the political situation in Venezuela.
In the interview, he denies ever having spoken with the president of the South American country, Nicolás Maduro, or with the opposition leader Leopoldo López, who is now in Spain.
“López and I have different ideas.
I, like Zapatero, am for the dialogue between the Government and the opposition in Venezuela ”, he concluded.
The President of the Government, Pedro Sánchez, and the Italian Prime Minister, Giuseppe Conte, will preside this Wednesday the XIX Hispano-Italian Summit, which will be held at the Almudaina Palace in Palma de Mallorca.
It is the first bilateral summit between the two countries since 2014. The relationship has been greatly strengthened.
Sánchez was in Italy a month ago for another summit, although then without ministers from the two executives.
Italy and Spain join forces to push to unlock the European recovery fund.
They are the two countries most benefited by this rain of millions.
They also agree on their position on immigration policy.
In fact, both countries have sent a joint letter with Greece and Malta, the four partners that receive the most immigrants from Africa, to demand that the European Commission and the German presidency close a European pact on immigration and asylum policy because these four countries cannot bear all the African migratory pressure alone.