The nationwide Infection Protection Act is on its way, and the former Federal Minister of the Interior Gerhart Baum is discussing it at “Markus Lanz”.
On Wednesday evening, the “Markus Lanz” discussion group will begin by analyzing the Bundestag debate on the nationwide Infection Protection Act.
The two positions are illustrated using clips: Ralph Brinkhaus (CDU), who campaigned for support for the law with a passionate speech, while Christine Aschenberg-Dugnus (FDP) threatened a constitutional lawsuit in Karlsruhe because of the curfews.
Their reason: The effectiveness of curfews in fighting pandemics has not been proven and the measure is therefore disproportionate.
Federal emergency brake at "Markus Lanz" in the discussion: "You have to be able to question that too"
Germany's former interior minister (1978 to 1982), Gerhart Baum (FDP), shows little agreement * with his party's path.
He shakes his party colleague's head vigorously during the clip, talk show host Lanz wants to know whether Baum is upsetting this.
“No, that doesn't annoy me,” he replies.
He is of the opinion that “if something is unconstitutional, then it must not happen”.
Nevertheless, it bothers him that one is focusing on this one aspect of the Infection Protection Act.
It should be noted that Baum would tend to support the government with the federal emergency brake.
He doesn't like everything that can be read in it, but: "I'm in politics to make compromises."
"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on April 21:
Gerhart Baum (FDP) - Former Federal Minister of the Interior
Mike Mohring (CDU) - Member of the CDU federal executive committee
Katharina Hamberger - journalist
Dr.
Caterina Reuchsel - intensive care physician
Christoph Röckerath - journalist
Power struggle in the Union - Gerhart Baum: "Hypocritical up to no longer works."
The journalist Katharina Hamberger suspects “the focus is because everyone can imagine what curfew actually means. So that's a good way to address people's emotions ”. At the same time, she thinks that one should be able to ask the question of proportionality. The key is now: "Can it be proven that it does not help?" In this context, the group then puzzles over the origin of the 165 incidence value for the federal emergency brake. The evening before, Armin Laschet (CDU) had unabashedly affirmed on ZDF that it was a value “picked out of thin air”. Talkmaster Lanz prompted Baum to ask how long politicians have been so honest. He does not share this assessment with a view to the power struggle in the Union: “It was not felt that way in the last 14 days.I saw on your show what politicians have swallowed. The opponent was praised beyond all measure and you knew: There will be hypocrisy until it is no longer possible. "
Back to the riddle of the incidence value 165. The former head of the Thuringian CDU, Mike Mohring, steps in and explains: “That was the daily value. That was the value of the day when the final discussions were held. " Mohring therefore also understands that “the number is incomprehensible”. Dr. Caterina Reuchsel, intensive care physician at the Gera Clinic, is nevertheless happy about “having a limit at all now”. She describes her sobering everyday work, in which she increasingly has to turn away patients. The fact that Covid patients are getting younger and younger represents an enormous additional burden: “In the first and second wave, the patients were well over 80. As a medical professional, you can deal with that better. This person lived his life. But when we discuss patients, my colleague says:What should I do? He's a year older than me. "
Corona collapse in Brazil and Chile - a warning example for Germany?
Journalist Christoph Röckerath, who was connected to the video from Brazil, reports how quickly a successful handling of the pandemic can tip over.
Using the example of the model student Chile, he makes it clear how tough the fight against the virus is.
It is true that there is “an incredibly high and fast vaccination coverage” (40 percent first and already 30 percent second vaccinations), but you weighed yourself in safety too early and “gave in to the ubiquitous opening pressure”.
In the meantime, 95 percent of the intensive care beds are occupied, Röckerath says: "If it continues like this, everything will collapse."
Röckerath paints a still sad picture of Brazil: “Brazil is like a large Petri dish.
Nothing at all is done here to break the chains of infection.
That said, the virus continues to rage here, the numbers are still skyrocketing across the country, with devastating deaths. "
Talk host Lanz states that in Sao Paulo in March alone, 500 people infected with Covid died while waiting for their treatment, "in front of the door", as Gerhart Baum sums up.
For Röckerath a cautionary example for Germany: “Sao Paulo is the richest, most important, most important city in Brazil, some say in all of South America.
That is absolutely the level that we also have in Germany.
And there the system collapsed. "
"Markus Lanz" - the conclusion of the show
At "Markus Lanz" the corona pandemic came back into focus on Wednesday evening. But instead of lashing out at each other's misconduct, like the guests the night before, the guests listened to each other and asked constructive questions. Above all the almost 90-year-old Gerhart Baum, who finished some sentences with great clarity, while presenter Lanz was still struggling to find the right words. The intensive care physician Caterina Reuchsel also found clear words, noting the enormous stress of the past few weeks.
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