When do we get back to normal?
Frank Plasberg discusses various strategies with his guests and calls for an outlook: When will it all finally be over?
Berlin - “When will it finally be summer again?” Asks Frank Plasberg in his “Hard but fair” talk introduction in the first, alluding to the old Rudi Carrell hit.
Such a summer as it used to be?
Without curfews, distance regulations and a mask requirement outdoors?
And, Plasberg wants to know more when he comes - does it then apply to everyone?
And for how long?
At the beginning of the broadcast, Karl Lauterbach made it clear how he would like to see himself in the next few weeks if we "hold out" for another three weeks in pandemic status: "A lot is possible outside, but not inside!" Plasberg is amazed and holds his most industrious talk -Show guest of last year presented his own quote: "I think the great times of the pandemic are over!", The health economist recently said.
"Hard but fair" - these guests discussed with:
Prof. Karl Lauterbach (SPD)
- Member of the Bundestag
Prof
.
Christiane Woopen -
Chair of the European Ethics Council
Natalia Bachmayer
- head of the ARD television studio in Madrid, switched on
Anna Mayr -
politics editor at the
time
Ute Dallmeier
- member of the
executive
committee of the German Travel Association
Cornelia Poletto
- TV cook, restaurateur
Lauterbach in his typical Rhenish Sing-Sang: “That applies, if at all, only to Germany.
If you look at the whole world, then the beginning of the pandemic has just been overcome! ”And he makes it clear:“ Five billion people will not be vaccinated at the end of the year. ”When the people around the group look gloomy, Lauterbach becomes a little milder: But things are going well in Germany at the moment, he admits.
Falling number of cases and increasing vaccinations are a "very happy combination".
The youngest in the group, the 28-year-old
Zeit-
Editor Anna Mayr, now surprises as a suspect: "The whole thing seems a bit surreal to me," she complains, a holiday debate would "just pass by a bit", “What the population actually wants!” She does not reveal how she knows the wishes of the citizens.
Mayr: "I don't have a good feeling about how people are not good at assessing dangers."
Moderator Plasberg duped Lauterbach on "Hart aber fair" in the live broadcast
Plasberg wants to know whether the freedoms actually apply to everyone. Ethicist Woopen predicts how things could go in the future. Citizens would be divided into categories: recovered, vaccinated and tested. "It can work in such a way that everyone gets a different ticket on which they can then live the same freedoms", explains Woopen and makes her point of view clear: Woppen does not consider it appropriate to only guarantee advantages for the first two groups. This leads to "a justice problem", to "displeasure" and to the "envy debate".
“What do you as a doctor think about it?” Plasberg wants to pass on to Lauterbach.
But the moderator is duping Woopen: “I'm a doctor too!” She interjects.
Plasberg tries to get the curve around and smears Woopen honey around his mouth: “For me, you are first and foremost the European popess of ethics.
You look at it a little from the box ... "and adds with a look at Lauterbach, who grew up as the son of a worker and was discriminated against as a child, with an unfortunate comparison:" ... while he is still working in the coal cellar. "
“Hard but fair” talk: Ethics Council President warns politics - transparency and justice are particularly important now!
Lauterbach is clearly counted, but Woopen stands by him: “I also like to commute between the floors,” she throws at Plasberg's feet. And Lauterbach gives her the word with relief: "Ladies first!", And later gives the hint that he and Woopen had studied together.
Woopen makes it clear that a medical definition of who is and who is not the driver of a pandemic is still pending. Woopen sees the task of action in politics: “In times when something is scarce, the question of justice becomes all the more urgent.” According to Woopen, politics must be particularly credible in times when it is dependent on the discipline and solidarity of the population . And further: "But also be transparent and be as fair as possible so that the population goes with it." It leads to populist trends "when entire groups feel forgotten."
Madrid correspondent Natalia Bachmayer describes how this can be done.
There is no envy debate like in Germany in Spain.
Perhaps this is also due to the fact that the cohesion of the generations in southern Europe is very strong.
The motto there is rather: “The main thing is that our grandma is safe!” Plasberg plays party pictures that Spaniards show while dancing exuberantly - without a mask.
The ARD journalist comments: "Even if the Spaniards are in the fourth wave, they will not let their zest for life be taken away!"
Plasberg wants to know from Lauterbach how he wants to win the election without being on the list
How will things continue in autumn, Plasberg dares to look forward to the post-vacation season. And Lauterbach gives the warning again: "If we were to get a dangerous mutation like the one in India via England to Germany", warns the SPD man, it could happen "that we would have to struggle with this mutation in autumn".
Plasberg is now tying up Lauterbach a second time, this time from an unfamiliar side - not as a scientist, but as a politician.
"You have to win your constituency, otherwise you will no longer be in the Bundestag because your SPD did not secure you on the list," the moderator announces and adds his critical question: "Do you believe that your image as the highest corona warning Is the country cheap for you or that it harms you? "Lauterbach seriously:" I never thought about it.
I have been a warning in part, but I have always tried to find solutions.
If I were voted out for this stance, then there would be worse reasons for which one would be voted out. "
Conclusion of the “hard but fair” talk
Karl Lauterbach, as the only “cock” in the women's group, appears visibly milder than usual - but maybe just plain tired. The swipes by moderator Plasberg come as a surprise to the viewer. In terms of content, on the other hand, the talk hardly offers anything new. The question of whether there will be a difference in freedom between unvaccinated and vaccinated people is rarely debated - although the arguments here would have been interesting.
