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Commander of the Hatzerim base: "The demolition of high-rises in Gaza is a surgical operation, no other army knows how to do it"

Confesses the difficulties of demolishing buildings, is aware of mistakes and harm to innocent people, and is proud of the cooperation between the troops.

After the "Guardian of the Walls" is over, Brigadier General Aviad Dagan tells Walla! About the combat squadrons and the attack on the Hamas metro. "If any of us becomes cruel, we will stop functioning."

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Amir Bohbot

Saturday, May 29, 2021, 4:47 p.m.

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In the video: The commander of the Hatzerim Air Force Base sums up Operation The Guardian of the Walls (Photo: Shai Makhlouf)

Silence in the south has been maintained since the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas was declared, more than a week after the end of Operation Wall Guard.

In an interview with Walla!

The commander of the Hatzerim base, Brigadier General Aviad Dagan, talks about the fighter squadrons and other units that took part in the operation, the difficulties in overthrowing high-rises, the damage to the Hamas metro and the many efforts they made to avoid harming civilians

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We are also preparing for the attack, but starting with the defense, "says Dagan. On the speed with which the base was prepared for attacks on terrorist targets, he says that this time they had to prepare more quickly than usual." It happened very quickly.

"The towers, too, the underground, also the killing of terrorist operatives and terrorists," he said, praising the Armed Forces, the Shin Bet and the Southern Command for creating targets for attack for the Air Force at an impressive rate.

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"When a pilot comes to attack in the Gaza Strip, he does not want to fight."

Brigadier General Aviad Dagan (Photo: IDF Spokesman)

What does it take for a pilot to shoot down a 14-12-story multi-story building?

"When a pilot comes to attack in the Gaza Strip, he is not fighting, a knife between the teeth. We attack in the heart of a civilian population. Everyone understands the size of the hour and the size of responsibility. After all, everyone understands that if we harm the uninvolved, we will take the State of Israel to escalation."

Brigadier General Dagan later explained that the pilots have a great deal of confidence in the various factors that are in charge of the preparations: they trust the intelligence agencies in the Armed Forces, the PDM and the Shin Bet, who evacuated the civilians with high-level professionalism, the Air Force personnel who approve the attacks, the engineers who choose The armaments and the attack cells and the technical wing of the squadron hung the bombs on the planes.

"This whole thing should work like a Swiss watch," he says.

"If one squad fakes on the way, starting with the bomb not hitting the target and doing greater damage, or alternatively the tower not falling - then we will not do the job. Therefore the operations in Gaza are surgical. There is no army in the world that knows how to do this, not the exact damage. "And not the non-harm done to innocent people."

Criticism was heard of the attack on the Al-Jalaa building, from which they broadcast to Jazeera and AP, last week (Photo: Reuters)

There was criticism of the attack on the tower in which the AP news agency operated

"I trust (on the planners of the attacks - AB). And asks questions. I expect every person at the base to ask questions. The answer is yes, I asked the questions and got the answers. Not necessarily in this specific case. Sometimes our answers cause targets not to be attacked. In many cases.

You can give an example.

"Only yesterday I found myself, I personally, two hours in circles in the Gaza Strip. And do not attack, because there are also uninvolved targets, and the State of Israel gives up operational achievement. We pay attention not only what will cause the target but what the environmental damage. We are fighter jets, we "We don't see the people downstairs. We can only rely on exercises and very complete trust between the intelligence, who operates us, and the pilots in the cockpit."

What is your part in the fraudulent operation in which the Hamas metro world collapsed?

"The level of intelligence and grammar used by the Air Force, the Armed Forces and the GSS - the hat must be removed. They brought it. The Air Force has brought to the situation a capability that it has been working on for years, a capability that begins with very complex logistics. "Arm the planes, aviation logistics that can build this thing, and somehow it takes off, and then 160 planes can finish this story in 25 minutes."

"The day one of us becomes cruel - we will stop functioning."

Khan Yunis area after IDF attack, this week (Photo: AP)

On the very attack on the metro in the heart of a civilian population, Dagan said there are sometimes mistakes, but noted that "apparently in this situation it is impossible to do better. There is no other army in the world or any other country in the world that operates a military body that attacks with so many high-explosives. , And kills more terrorists than uninvolved. Even one is hard for me. It's pain, it's grief and we interrogate, but it can not end in zero. This conflict is our power, the day one of us becomes cruel and uncontrollable - we will stop functioning, we will lose power. Our true self. "

Hamas reported rocket launches at air base, including courtyards.

They launch. The so-called - the pedal, we know how to work, with rockets and without rockets. We have exercises. What should be protected is protected, and what is not - no. This machine called Yards works peaks. Crazy synchronization of defense and attack. "

What does the activity in the Gaza Strip teach us about dealing with Hezbollah in the north?

The State of Israel has the entire IDF and the Air Force for more significant challenges. Much more significant. The Gaza Strip is a challenge, and when it happens we are all focused on this story. But if you ask me - the number of flights Hatzerim has carried out since the beginning of this incident, "We do it in less than a day in the northern arena. Only at the base of Hatzerim."

Fighter squadrons took part in the operation?

"There is no difference here between women, men, young people, adults. You will see in our structure Druze, members of the Ethiopian community, in their fifties and twenties, Israeli society at its best, from the ground up to the air. Everyone and his work, everything plays. Women? They are world champions." .

According to him, it is important to talk at the base about complex issues like violence in the cities involved.

Brigadier General Aviad Dagan (Photo: IDF Spokesman)

On the frustration they experienced in Israel due to the many barrages, Dagan said that he felt this personally when he went to visit his family in a rocket-hit area. "Three-track is an asymmetric event, it cannot be solved with a rocket in front of a bomb. This is not the method and we understood it years ago," he says. "The way to deal with this is in several aspects - first of all strong defense. We have 100% alert, 90% interceptions. We should be grateful that we invented this dome (Iron Dome - AB). The second thing is a smart attack on targets. "

Brigadier General Dagan confirmed that the fighter pilots on the premises took part in the targeted killings. "The two operational squadrons here took part in the killings, some that were carried out, and some that were not. Overall, the results are good," he claims. "We also made mistakes, not in assassinations but in general. We make mistakes when using force. We did not make gross mistakes, and we investigate every mistake, at the height of seriousness and at the height of modesty."

The base commander also referred to the incidents of violence within the country between Arabs and Jews, emphasizing mixed cities: "We are aware of the complex week the State of Israel spent in the mixed cities, on the roads, which began in friction in Jerusalem. I think in this kind of confrontation we have time, so we are not mad, so we "We need command talks with people on these issues. We have Muslim servants inside the base, within us and between us. We are required to consider this, because even before we are soldiers - we are citizens of the country."

In Dagan's opinion, a dialogue on such complex issues within the base is important, and allows for more tolerance to be developed.

"When you talk then business usually becomes more controlled. We talk about it, deal with it, and when you talk and argue the mind develops more sensitivity to the situation, and then when you encounter the extreme situation you may be a little more relaxed as a citizen with all your opinions, from politics to the door. In this campaign, we have found time to deal with it. "

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