Red-red-green?
Difficult.
In “Markus Lanz” the green Cem Özdemir and the leftist Amira Mohamed Ali argue fiercely.
Michel Friedman likes this.
Hamburg - The “Markus Lanz” group will deal intensively with the Greens and their candidate for Chancellor Annalena Baerbock on Thursday evening at the beginning of the program.
Baerbock himself provided the template - with some blurring in her résumé.
According to talk host Lanz, the first receipt for this was given in the state elections in Saxony-Anhalt.
Green celebrity Cem Özdemir is not scared by the election result.
In the nationwide surveys, the Greens are still at more than 20 percent, which is why he says: "If we are afterwards in the election over 20 percent, I will not bear mourning.
But of course, in Saxony-Anhalt we certainly hoped for more, I don't want to hide that. "
Annalena Baerbock has admitted mistakes in her résumé - for Michel Friedman "no petitesse"
In addition, Özdemir assures, he is “not one of those who are now complaining that we are being touched harder. That's what we wanted, that's part of it ”. The publicist Michel Friedman thinks that Baerbock's behavior is “not a petty thing”. He can already see the skins of the Greens swimming away: “We're talking about a candidate for Chancellor. That is the highest office, the Greens reach for it. Meanwhile, the ice is melting significantly, maybe they will still make Vice Chancellor. "
The former
taz
journalist Anja Maier agrees with this criticism: “Mr. Friedman is right. It is the highest office, so it is a question of professionalism that you check the candidate from front to back. ”In any case, Özdemir has a hard time explaining what happened to the errors, for example, when reporting the party's Christmas bonuses to the Bundestag could come. At the party, everyone “who can walk straight ahead” is busy processing amendments for the party congress, he explains, among other things.
Left parliamentary group leader Amira Mohamed Ali thinks that one has to put the events in perspective: “These are things that are not good and things went wrong.
But if you look at the relationship, we just had the mask deals.
This is certainly no longer the talk of the day.
So if you put that in relation to what was now worse, then I would be more in the mask deals. "Özdemir explains the unusual headwind as follows:" I think one of the problems is that we sometimes cracked our voices in the Past, about how we talked about one or the other. ”He advises“ that you deal with the political concepts.
There is enough material there. "
"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on June 10th:
Cem Özdemir
(Greens) - politician
Amira Mohamed Ali
(left) - Bundestag parliamentary group leader
Anja Maier
- journalist for the
Weser-Kurier
Michel Friedman
- Publicist
Left and Greens in a clinch: Lanz taunts - "Shouldn't you know beforehand exactly how it works?"
Emotions boil for the first time when talk show host Lanz quotes a tweet from Amira Mohamed Ali in which she accuses Annalena Baerbock of "unbearable arrogance" because of the petrol price debate. Ali explains that she considers consumption taxes to be an “unsuitable steering instrument”, “because I always put a disproportionate burden on those with low incomes, those with medium incomes. And those who have enough don't mind. ”When Ali said that the money should be reimbursed at the end of the year, Anja Maier intervened:“ The Greens' concept calls for the money to be transferred at the beginning of the year and that it is socially graded. So someone who has a smaller ecological footprint also gets more. "
Because Mohamed Ali apparently doesn't know about it, Lanz can't help but point out: “When you get rid of someone like that and speak of unbearable arrogance, shouldn't you know in advance exactly how it works?” As a result, the mood continues to heat up on, from CO2 taxes and flying to local public transport to the end of the combustion engine and the speed limit. With each topic, the content-related gap between Özdemir and Ali tears a little wider.
The heated debate reached its zenith when it came to foreign policy.
Lanz introduces the topic with a photo of Robert Habeck (Greens), who recently had himself photographed wearing a steel helmet in the Ukraine.
Friedman tries to clarify: "Russia has invaded Ukraine in violation of international law and has occupied Crimea," he explains.
“You can even say more radically: Europe is currently at war.
That is not resolved.
To be honest, I think that you have to show this autocrat and human rights defender and militarily very aggressive Putin that we are not playing along with it.
The question is another: Do you have to appear there like that, do you have to allow this image? "
Greens and Habeck's Ukrainian push: the left criticizes - and suddenly finds itself on the defensive
Left-wing politician Ali doesn't think it's good to show herself like that and justify: “We are a peace party.” Then Özdemir bursts out: “It's about his security. It's in a war zone. If you're with the UN, you get it automatically, no matter what you do. You don't have to be a party leader for that. I think you can expect so much fairness in the election campaign, I find that really very underground. "
Ali replies: “We are against arms exports as a whole. Overall, generally, nowhere. We don't want weapons to be exported. Because we believe that armament is not the way to go to peace. You have to go down the diplomatic path more consistently. ”Lanz puts the left on the defensive - and presents a photo that is supposed to show the left-wing MP Andrej Hunko during a visit to the Russian-controlled part of eastern Ukraine. The left is trying to speak to all sides if it justifies the action.
Özdemir is upset: “Even with genocide?
Michel Friedman has just spoken of Yugoslavia.
Also with the genocide of the Bosnian Muslims?
Negotiate?
With who?
With the Serbian snipers?
At ISIS?
Negotiate?
With whom? "Ali, who has difficulties in getting a word in this phase, does not move away from her position:" You also know that there are dispute settlement mechanisms in the UN that we on the left also share.
Of course, it is possible to ensure peace in certain places through missions abroad, but Germany should not do that.
This is clearly regulated in the UN, and neutral states have to do that. "
“Markus Lanz” - the conclusion of the show
At "Markus Lanz" on Tuesday evening between Cem Özdemir (Greens) and Amira Mohamed Ali (Left) the tatters sometimes fly. The publicist Michel Friedman (“I've learned a lot today”) and the journalist Anja Maier (“I sometimes find it a bit too fast-paced here”) are mostly listeners, but they take part in the intense debate through intelligent questions and statements with substance . The bottom line is that it's politics talk as it should be, factual but committed, Friedman agrees: “Talk programs are irreplaceable. We don't have too much of it, just too little. We talk about politics and that affects everyone. "
