"If he had not been from the neighborhood, it would never have happened, unfortunately he lives where I live ... but it was really improvised", repeats this Monday at the bar of the Bobigny correctional court (Seine-Saint- Denis), Razmo, warned in the case of the leaked verdict of an incredible trial, a thunderclap in the judicial sky in 2019. This slender family man, manager of a garage, in his thirties, glasses and baldness , owes its nickname to a contraction of its name, in connection with the eponymous cartoon character. He is being prosecuted for having, with a childhood friend, Butch, intimidated "the little guy from 13", Djo, a juror of the Assize Court.
It was in this same palace.
Seven men and a woman were tried there for a chilling case of torture and barbarism in drug trafficking.
The trial ended with an unexpected number of acquittals, which leaked into the room twenty minutes before the court returned.
"It goes into a spin, everyone has had the result"
“I just sent a message to Djo to find out how it was going.
However, we are supposed not to have the right to the phone, he had his ... He sends me the results on Snap
(Editor's note: Snapchat)
, I have two, three friends next door, and it goes wrong, everyone has had the result, ”says Butch, a broad fatigues and a red beard protruding from the mask.
Lawyers, general counsel… Everyone.
This father of three, a salesman, has always said it: “It was only for information, to find out what was going to happen to my friends.
He speaks of Afo le Zient (for Tunisian) and Doctor, acquitted in Bobigny but sentenced in Paris on appeal at 15 and 9 years in 2020.
It was while passing a head to the trial in Bobigny that he recognized Djo, faithful to the same mosque of Blanc-Mesnil, among the jurors.
“It shocked me to see him here… After that I contacted him for information.
It was February 6, the day before the verdict, near a hookah bar in Bondy.
Razmo had reapplied at Butch's request.
The rest took place behind closed doors in a car between the three men.
Three hours, calculates the floor, "that's a long time."
"They wanted to know how it was going, what the jurors thought, what penalty they could incur, we talked about the atmosphere of the debate", answers Djo, uncomfortable at the microphone.
Married since Saturday, this fiber optic installer could dream of better than a lawsuit as a honeymoon.
But he assures that he was already convinced of the innocence of the two accused, and spoke about it to some other jurors.
“I didn't think it would get so big, I should have refused, got out of the car, not spoke.
"
A juror yet kept in secrecy
Drawn by lot twice, Djo had necessarily raised his right hand and swore “not to communicate with anyone (…) and to keep the deliberations secret, even after the end of his functions”.
“What is not clear about this formula?
»Questions President Benoît Descoubes twice.
A long silence follows.
"It's clear" finally answered Djo.
An assessor judge recalls how “it weakens the decision”.
A stale secret is a "freedom of speech" which flies away and "fear of the gaze of others" which sets in.
Razmo and Butch say they wanted to satisfy their "curiosity".
"It's like when you read articles from Le Parisien, it's to get information," dares Razmo.
There has been a lot of talk about press articles.
To the point that they felt “they had fucked up”.
The history of VhatsApp exchanges has been deleted.
“It was to make room on the phone,” says Razmo.
He was wiretapped in another case of the judicial police, when he spoke of the trial and boasted of having "caught" the little one from 13. "I can talk about anything and everything," he explains. .
These eavesdropping is really nonsense.
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Eventful audience
A semantic contest is improvised between magistrates and lawyers on influence, pressure, intimidation. We even summon the Larousse. "And when the president of the Assize Court bangs his fist on the table to protest against the jury's acquittal votes, isn't that intimidation?" »Asks Me Gallochat, Butch's lawyer. The court interrupts him: "We are not here to put Mr. Jean-Draeher on trial
(president of the Assize Court, editor's note)
! The president of the assizes had cracked a vitriolic note on "the difficulty of judging criminals in Seine-Saint-Denis". Warned the day before the verdict of these eavesdropping and suspicion of approaching a juror, he did not however consider it useful to suspend the hearing.
More embarrassing perhaps for Razmo and Butch, this old affair mentioned by Razmo on the tapping, always. Prosecutor Adrien Luneau, highlighted the procedure that involved Butch and Razmo where a victim would have retracted after being paid. No proof was ever established and the case ended in a dismissal for all. But this simple reminder throws some confusion on the ingenuity of the defendants. Djo faces a year in prison, Razmo and Butch, ten years. They have already served nine months and a year in prison. The deliberation is expected this Tuesday.
