“Markus Lanz” will discuss the consequences of climate change and the role of politics with climate protection activist Luisa Neubauer and politician Wiebke Winter.
On Wednesday, “Markus Lanz” will be devoting the second evening in a row to the flood disaster - and this time it will be more political.
At the beginning of the broadcast, Hagens Mayor Erik Olaf Schulz (SPD) reports on the events in his city via video switch: “We were lucky that the chief of the fire brigade had already put together a staff on Monday.
The crisis team itself met in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday at two o'clock.
In this respect, we cannot complain about early warnings. ”The foresighted action had an effect:“ When you see the pictures from Hagen, it is a miracle that there is only one injured person. ”
Floods in Hagen: Mayor Schulz reports on the clean-up work to “Markus Lanz”
Schulz describes the difficult situation: "We rescued people from roofs, we took children who had to be ventilated with the Bundeswehr tank from a closed part of the city, we had to clear rubble from the street." The mayor continues to describe the cleanup work in Hagen : "Our guys from the waste disposal company drive in the morning from 5:30 am to 10:00 pm and dispose of bulky waste from the city center." A political discussion comes too early for him, as mayor, restoring the infrastructure is currently his priority.
Environmental system scientist Claudia Pahl-Wostl is “very shocked” by the events: “I did not expect that houses would be washed away and bridges torn away.” She does not expect the houses to be rebuilt at the same location everywhere: “We have a lot of planning bases and it will certainly be important that we do not necessarily rebuild the houses where they were. "Pahl-Wostl draws attention to the overall situation in areas at risk of flooding:" You have to be in such valleys as a whole Thinking about how to manage the entire valley, the entire landscape, apart from the fact that you no longer build in such locations. ”Her appeal:“ There is an enormous amount of knowledge about what to do.
You now have to implement the whole thing more consistently. "
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The panel discussion at Markus Lanz (ZDF)
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"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on July 21:
Erik Olaf Schulz
(SPD) - Mayor of the city of Hagen
Luisa Neubauer
- climate protection activist
Wiebke Winter
- CDU board member
Monika Schnitzer
- Economist
Claudia Pahl-Wostl
- Environmental Systems Scientist
Climate protection activist Luisa Neubauer would also be happy if all of this knowledge was applied and “one would take science seriously”, as she explains: “If you look at the reports, the studies, and of course the experience, but also what is calculated, acknowledges as guidelines for action. ”It is important to her not to treat the scientific findings as questions of faith:“ It's not about what my opinion is or that what I believe is just right. What we do know is that the warmer it gets in the world, the more moisture the air can hold. "
For this reason, she makes serious accusations against the politically responsible: “In the long term, the government is part of the climate crisis project.
So you don't do what should be done to weaken the climate crisis in the long term so that we can expect less from these floods. ”Neubauer also thinks it's“ incredibly cynical, I honestly find it mendacious if you stand up and say now , you help people and we do everything to make you feel better.
And then go back to the desk in Berlin's government district and continue to work towards ensuring that we learn more about these disasters.
And that is de facto the government's course right now. "
Federal government under fire, young politicians Winter calls for a "more ambitious climate policy" from "Markus Lanz"
The politician Wiebke Winter, the youngest member of the CDU federal executive committee, does not contradict these allegations. “It's about,” she says, “that we are now doing more climate protection so that these floods, so that these catastrophes do not become more frequent.” She says that society as a whole may have to adjust itself first: “Wow, there is more than just one Forest fires in California, there are also floods here. "Neubauer points in critically:" The climate crisis has been well researched for 40 years, politics has been talking about it for 30 years. "" I would also like, "agrees Winter," that it would would have been more ambitious. I'm not saying everything went well. I would also like to see a more ambitious climate policy, that is very clear. "
“It seems to me that it is symptomatic,” analyzes Neubauer, “that in essence one behaves as if the climate crisis could actually not harm us.
As if climate protection were such a leisure program, which is now supported by young children and you can do that if you have the time and money.
(...) What resonates here is a completely inappropriate arrogance when it comes to how vulnerable we are to the climate crisis. ”She counters the argument that climate protection and prosperity are incompatible with the fact that the flood disaster will take a few hours a wealth built up over decades had been destroyed.
Bundestag election: "Markus Lanz" guests are hoping for September for various reasons
“The question is yes”, asks talk host Lanz then the economist Monika Schnitzer, “how well is a euro invested that we invest in climate and environmental issues?” She says: “I think both really have to happen at this point: You have to make sure that climate change is stopped. ”However, even people who have not been affected by severe weather events so far have to become aware of the change at all so that they can prepare better. “Does it have to get through to the people,” asks Neubauer, “or would it at least be a first step that one can rely on the government to be able to listen to science?”
“And that's exactly why I founded the Climate Union,” says Winter, explaining why she would like to be elected to the Bundestag: “I am aware that we actually only have 18 to 24 months to go to take the right steps.
Because transformation always takes a certain amount of time. ”Pahl-Wostl explains that such a transformation must also include the idea of sufficiency,“ that is, that we use fewer resources than before. ”Luisa Neubauer also hopes for the general election in the September, but from a different perspective: "The nice thing is: This year all people in this country who are over 18 and can vote have a choice - you can decide for or against political will."
“Markus Lanz” - the conclusion of the show
On Wednesday evening, the “Markus Lanz” round seamlessly follows on from the previous evening's broadcast and discusses climate change, environmental protection and the political dimension of environmental damage. Hagen's mayor Erik Olaf Schulz (SPD) reports on the clean-up work in his city before climate protection activist Luisa Neubauer makes one fiery plea after another. The politician Wiebke Winter (CDU) is proving her rhetorical skills with which she tries to disarm Neubauer and talk show host Lanz and to campaign on her own behalf. Systems scientist Claudia Pahl-Wostl and economist Monika Schnitzer seldom interfere in the committed debate on their own initiative and let the young professionals take precedence.