Marina Devita
08/21/2021 6:00 AM
Clarín.com
Politics
Updated 08/21/2021 6:00 AM
"
They will not find me in a tour with Elisa Carrió
, I do not have any type of dialogue with her," said the candidate for national deputy and president of the GEN party, Margarita Stolbizer, in the middle of the Buenos Aires intern that lives in Together.
During an interview with
Clarín
, Stolbizer stated that Elisa Carrió was "the person who has come out with a level of
verbal violence
against [Facundo) Manes, which is not justified in any way."
The candidate for national deputy considered that the reference of the Civic Coalition "makes its allies uncomfortable" within Juntos, and stressed: "
What I do not know is why they tolerate it
, I do not know why all that has a media impact. Carrió says a number of
bestialities
and right away they are titles. So, all that makes him go climbing more and more and that nobody ever puts a brake on him. "
"You cannot do politics by harming others," said Margarita Stolbizer.
Photo: Lucia Merle.
─ Taking into account that you do not have a good bond with Elisa Carrió, what is it like to be part of the same space? Would you share a tour with her?
─You won't find me on a tour with Elisa Carrió, I don't have any kind of dialogue with her.
Furthermore, she is the person who has come out with a level of verbal violence against [Facundo] Manes that is not justified in any way.
When a person like Facundo, who comes from a successful and comfortable private life, decides to turn this into politics, one must not not put bats in the wheel.
And she has done everything possible to file it down, to screw it up.
You cannot do politics from the harm to others.
You cannot build your own by trying to destroy others.
─In view of the request of the main leaders of Juntos to lower the tone of the confrontation, why is Carrió allowed these hostilities?
─I think she even makes her allies uncomfortable, because I never ever listen to [María Eugenia] Vidal, [Diego] Santilli or [Horacio Rodríguez] Larreta that they go to that level of violence that she has.
What I don't know is why they tolerate it, I don't know why all this has a media repercussion.
Carrió says a number of bestialities and right away they are titles.
So, all this means that he is climbing more and more and that nobody ever puts a brake on him.
─What expectations do you have of this electoral alliance with Juntos?
─I am encouraged that Together is not the same as Let's Change.
The sole decision of having opened and incorporated someone like Facundo and many new people encourages me a lot.
The truth is that we arrived hopeful that what can be put together for 2023 is not the reissue of the previous government.
Within Cambiemos, an internal debate was also settled, which was won by the more moderate sectors, those who are
more self-critical such
as Rodríguez Larreta, Vidal, Santilli.
It seems to me that they are not the ones who are raising the flag of the Government of Mauricio Macri, but that they have been quite critical and at that point I have more coincidences with this new stage.
Manes, "the brooch"
─What was it that made you define yourself when you joined Juntos?
─
The brooch was the candidacy of Facundo
.
I have known him for many years and I am one of the people who have been urging him to get into politics.
So when he makes the decision, he tells me and asks me to accompany him ... The truth is that if I asked him to do it for so many years, that was decisive for me.
Any discussion or doubt is over.
Stolbizer: "I think you have to give content to the political and electoral debate."
Photo: Lucia Merle.
─If Manes was not a pre-candidate, would he still have agreed to be part of Juntos?
─Yes, it was an equal possibility because in GEN we had been discussing this for a long time and
we did not want to continue being outside of everything
.
The politician has the vocation to participate, to influence, to transform, and we, with the electoral strategies that we had had before, were becoming more and more isolated.
So we had already been discussing that we had to participate in this coalition.
─ You hear many fights and few proposals from the candidates, has the debate become banal?
─We came with a very poor, mediocre debate, which is the debate of guilt, inheritance.
A very rude debate.
I believe that the political and electoral debate must be given content, in addition to raising the level of that debate. When I speak of elevating the content of the debate, I mean to end blame and blame. I am more ashamed of those who govern. I listen to Axel Kicillof and all he talks about is the others, what they left him. The most important challenge that a ruler has is to show, when he finishes, that he did things better than the previous one, that he left something better than what he had received, and not be complaining all four years about the inheritance received. So, it shows when you leave that you left something better than what you received. Instead, they will not be able to demonstrate why
They spend it criticizing the previous ones
.
They will not be able to show any improvement but on the contrary, because the setback is getting bigger and bigger.
─How did you receive criticism from the PRO head, Patricia Bullrich, after you questioned the participation of the former Malvinas Argentinas mayor, Jesús Cariglino, in the list?
─I don't take it in any particular way.
Sometimes I sin because I put sincerity in things
. I did not do it to disqualify Cariglino or to open up about anything. It was a fact of reality, because I did not know that Cariglino was, but I did not know where I was on the list. I did not know because I was not in a discussion about the assembly of the list. When Facundo asked me to accompany him to a place on the list, I accepted the place, I signed the candidacy, but I did not know who occupied the other places. There were less than 24 hours before the closing of the lists and nobody knew who was the second ... Imagine if I am going to know who was in seventh place. I said it sincerely, I did not say it as a reproach to anyone, or to want to disassociate myself, but it was a fact of reality.
Stolbizer with Sergio Massa during the 2017 electoral campaign, when both were part of the Un País political space.
Photo DyN.
─What is your relationship with the current president of the Chamber of Deputies, Sergio Massa, after having shared a political space?
─I have no relationship, I did not have it again from the moment he decided to go to Kirchnerism.
My coincidences with him were when he said that he was going to put them in jail.
For me it was a complicated situation, because Sergio knew it was a space that I was never going to be able to belong to.
I was convinced of the crimes that were committed in that government, so I couldn't ... Sergio privileged being part of a power project.
They are not doing well in government, but electorally what they did was successful.
What reaction did you have when you learned that President Alberto Fernández celebrated the birthday of the first lady Fabiola Yañez in full quarantine?
─It is a shame, but you have to go to the bottom line.
What it puts us in front of is a President who
has lost authority
and that weakens the Government.
We have an increasingly weak, unreliable, unreliable, unpredictable government, and this hurts the country.
The truth is that the President makes this celebration at the time of a pandemic that is very serious for Argentina, and we do not see him worried and meeting with people to see how they do to curb inflation and that people do not feel that they lose every month when you go to buy food and money is not enough.
What we like is that and not to be met at the party with friends Fabiola.
─What is your opinion about the role of Cristina Kirchner as vice president?
─Many tell me that he is a puppet, a managed ... No, he is the President of the Nation.
We cannot remove him from the responsibility he has, because he has no obligation to do anything that he does not believe should be done or that is not part of the political decision of his Government.
She is the vice president and is the creator of this movement, so it is not bad that she has her influence and her power in the Government.
However, you do not have to take him aside, because he is the one who puts the signature everywhere.
Decisions of the government are integrating the two because it seems that
she is ill and he is good
.
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