Four weeks before the general election, the “Anne Will” round will discuss possible coalition options.
SPD man Kühnert defends himself and switches to attack mode.
Berlin - While the first TV triad between Annalena Baerbock (Greens), Armin Laschet (CDU) and Olaf Scholz (SPD) is still going on, "Anne Will" is already starting to exchange blows between the second row of the three big parties.
CDU General Secretary Paul Ziemiak, SPD Vice Kevin Kühnert and Cem Özdemir, Member of the Green Party, discuss with journalists Jana Hensel and Christiane Hoffmann the topic of “Voting in times of crisis”.
Triell between Baerbock, Laschet and Scholz also in "Anne Will" theme
In view of the current trend reversal in the polls, Paul Ziemiak calls on his Union to take a decisive final spurt: “Now, above all, we have to fight and use the last few weeks in this federal election campaign and make the differences clear. And those who saw the Trielli today saw an incredibly strong Armin Laschet, who is into the topics, who set the points. And what we heard, especially from Olaf Scholz, was a lot of hot air. ”But Ziemiak also knows:“ In the end, however, the Germans vote for parties and not just people. ”
Hope lives also with Cem Özdemir: “From 20 to 22 percent the difference is, I think, already 'within reach' I would say.
And tonight, Annalena Baerbock showed again after she had to take a lot at the beginning of the election campaign: She can do it.
This evening, from Afghanistan to climate protection to the question of social justice, it showed in all questions: We have the alternative here of continuing the grand coalition with one offer, with the other offer, or we have the option of the good, that To keep the tried and tested in the country, but also to finally modernize the country. "
Kühnert justifies himself for the support of Olaf Scholz
When asked by talk show host Anne Will, the deputy SPD * chairman Kevin Kühnert justified himself for his support for Olaf Scholz: “In particular, the dispute over the grand coalition at the beginning of 2018, after Mr. Lindner ran away, was exhausting and almost tore the party apart.
And we were convinced, and I still am today, that this party needed chairmen at that time who were not included in the federal cabinet under a grand coalition, regardless of whether they were Olaf Scholz, Heiko Maas, whoever it was, The SPD vice-president remembers Will's accusation that Kühnert's support for Scholz is opportunistic: "Olaf Scholz is the most experienced government politician we have in the party."
"Anne Will" - These guests discussed with:
Paul Ziemiak
(CDU) - politician
Kevin Kühnert
(SPD) - politician
Cem Özdemir
(Greens) - politician
Jana Hensel
- journalist
Christiane Hoffmann
- journalist
Because Paul Ziemiak recently said that whoever votes for Scholz gets Kühnert, talk show host Will asks what Ziemiak is afraid of.
He explains: “Kevin Kühnert himself says that we actually have to overcome this system that we have now.
There is talk of nationalization. ”Kühnert interrupts him with a frown:“ Where?
Where did we talk about nationalization in our program? "" For example, the quote ", answers Ziemiak," from Kevin Kühnert that people shouldn't own more than the living space that they themselves use to live. "
Moderator Will intervenes: “That was in an interview with Die Zeit, but is not in the election manifesto.” Ziemiak is not afraid of this, he believes: “Of course, the SPD did not write what it wanted to do so aggressively in the election manifesto .
But take a look at the program of Mr. Kühnert, Mrs. Esken and the whole left wing, which is now the majority in the SPD: There is a desire, of course, to plan a government together with the left, that's it the clear plan.
Ms. Will, I predict today that Olaf Scholz has absolutely nothing to report.
If there is a majority for a coalition between the SPD and the left with the votes of the Greens, then there will be this government coalition. "
Armin Laschet in the polls, Paul Ziemiak in campaign mode
“That was all very moving”, Kühnert countered shortly afterwards, “but of course terrific nonsense that you just presented here. I know you have to present it, the desperation is great four weeks before the election, the polls are bad. The party wants to see you pull yourself up a bit, but if that's the line of defense in this election campaign, then good night, Marie. Anyone who seriously believes that they can make people believe that with Olaf Scholz, I repeat, Olaf Scholz, the communist tyranny is moving into Germany, that the one who will soon be running through the Bundestag with the red flag, is a little wrong. "
Journalist Christiane Hoffmann also sees a strategy behind Ziemiak's attack: “It's very, very transparent.
It is of course a good way for the Union to mobilize.
So the hope of getting your own supporters to the ballot box with the specter of red-red-green.
This is also what I believe that can work to a certain extent.
That’s why I understand that you’re playing this off in this euphoric way.
But ultimately it is not convincing that an Olaf Scholz, if he actually wins this election for the SPD or gets a respectable result, that he should have nothing more to say in this party in the end.
That's just not convincing at all. "
Cem Özdemir distances himself from the Left Party, but does not rule out the coalition in "Anne Will"
The fact that red-red-green is an option at all is due not least to the Greens, who have not yet distanced themselves from a coalition with the Left Party. After the Left Party's abstention from the relief operation in Afghanistan, the wind seems to be turning. Cem Özdemir makes a clear statement: “This Left Party is not capable of governing foreign policy, it's very simple.” Talk host Will smells the sensation: “Does that mean you as Bündnis90 / Die Grünen exclude cooperation? "
Özdemir refers to the statements of his party chairmen Baerbock and Habeck and continues: “Germany is not just any country, Germany is the fourth largest economy in the world, with a difficult past. This country cannot be ruled by people who are not clear about foreign policy about the question of Europe, about the question of NATO membership, about the relationship with Israel. The Left Party is not clear on these issues. It may be different in the federal states, see Thuringia, but I don't see it in the federal government. "
Ziemiak is not convinced: “Cem Özdemir has now needed a lot of time to say nothing at the end, namely not to say: I am ruling out a coalition with the Left Party.
You will not hear from Kevin Kühnert tonight either, you will not hear from anyone from the SPD that they are excluding this coalition. ”Kevin Kühnert, on the other hand, hopes that this question will not arise after the election:“ A red-green one Majority is within reach.
And that is something that would be something that we could get along with best, not only for the two parties. "
"Anne Will" - the conclusion of the show
CDU general secretary Paul Ziemiak is really hard at work with "Anne Will" and puts SPD Vice Kevin Kühnert under verbal pressure. He counters calmly and confidently, while the experienced Cem Özdemir (Greens) holds back for a long time. The two journalists Jana Hensel and Christiane Hoffmann also rarely speak up, but then analyze the election campaign events razor-sharp.
