The election campaign has reached the depths of the right-left ditch for “Markus Lanz”.
It gets dirty from time to time.
Hamburg - “Markus Lanz” would like to have “tough coalition negotiations” on Wednesday evening, as the talk show host announced at the beginning.
The politician Katja Kipping (left) immediately throws in: "And I thought we wanted to wait for the vote." let take.
However, this was also put to the test by the fact that the SPD party chairman Norbert Walter-Borjans had canceled his planned participation in the show the evening before.
"After the preliminary talk," explains Lanz, "when he had the feeling that it was too much about the Left Party." He therefore asked substitute Ralf Stegner (SPD) the question: "Can you understand that?" calmly: "Oh, you don't have to worry when you come to see you on the show."
Germany before the election: Deep rifts are opening with “Markus Lanz”
Because the population is undecided before the election and the polls show high fluctuations, the question of "Who is in a coalition with whom, where does my vote go?" He therefore turns to the SPD in the person of Ralf Stegner: “Now the question is, red-red-green, do you really want that? And the risk for the SPD is that they do not want to vote these completely demoralized, demobilized CDU voters, who do not want to vote for Laschet, that they wake them up again with this issue. ”The SPD makes both the Union and the Left Party stronger through its stance . "Oh, you want the SPD to go completely into the hands of the FDP," Kipping responded first.
“It's the disagreement in the Union that you can see that also scares people off,” Stegner then steers around the red-red-green question: “Söder pests [Laschet] every day.
And Habeck does it a little more subtle with Ms. Baerbock, but also lets it shine through everywhere that he would not have made the mistakes.
The SPD doesn't do that, the SPD is closed. ”Stegner believes that his party can continue to benefit from this, preferably to the extent that it is enough for a two-party coalition of the SPD and the Greens.
SPD man Stegner defends himself against violent accusations from Weimer
Weimer tries it from a different angle and points to the structural continuity of the Left Party as the heir to the SED. “This is not a group of socialists from Bremen that is now saying: Let's make a left-wing policy. It's the party that built the wall, the party that shot people from behind, that's the party that tortured people. Stasi people are still sitting in the council of elders of this party today, you can look it up on the website. ”In doing so, the SPD is betraying its moral principles, for which it stood in the 20th century.
"I consider the Left Party to be a democratic party, unlike the radical right-wing AfD, with which others want to cooperate," replies Stegner and defends the SPD: "The people from the block parties, CDU, FDP, they sat in the People's Chamber, our people sat in prison.
They took the assets and the staff with them, the FDP has doubled in membership.
We really do not need any instruction from such parties on how to deal with it. ”But Weimer adds:“ People feel that there is blood there.
And they don't want that in the middle of our republic. "
"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on September 8th:
Ralf Stegner
(SPD) - politician
Katja Kipping
(left) - politician
Sarna Röser
- entrepreneur
Wolfram Weimer
- publicist
“That was pretty strong stuff,” Kipping intervenes and protests: “Perhaps we have to tell you: The times of the Cold War are over, we are now in the year 2021. When the wall came down, I was just eleven years old. We may still have someone on the party executive who was once a member of the SED. And because you mentioned the people who died in the Wall, I myself, as chairman of the Bundestag, once again expressly asked for an apology and said that there was no excuse for it. We have said that over and over again. We have dealt really critically with our own history and rather asked what lessons we should learn from it and we have taken responsibility. ”Kipping therefore considers Weimer's objection to be advanced:"The point is that you and others are simply concerned that companies and rich people whose assets have grown during the crisis will also be involved in the costs of the crisis."
NATO still the rift before the election?
Left and SPD approach each other in “Markus Lanz”
Because the “No to NATO” from the ranks of the Left Party has been quieter in recent weeks, talk show host Lanz tries to find out whether he can tease a “Yes to NATO” out of Kipping.
But she reacts soberly: “I don't have to say yes to NATO.
I can only say that leaving NATO was never a prerequisite for us to enter into coalition talks. ”Due to the contractual obligations, leaving NATO is only possible in theory anyway, which is why she advocates a reorientation:“ To you to make it clear what a goal is then for me: not the North Atlantic Pact with NATO, but the Atlantic Charter, which was drawn up by Churchill and Roosevelt in the early 1940s. "
Stegner basically seems to share such a “yes and no to NATO”: “Of course there has to be a NATO reform.
By the way, they already exist, because Biden was elected American President, thank God, changing the direction that Trump had taken.
And of course we keep Russia as a geographical neighbor, we want to live in peace with them.
The old sentence applies: If we only talk to those who all share our values, we will be alone with Norway and Iceland.
That is a little too little.
We have to talk to others too.
We also have to talk to China, we have to talk to Russia. "
“Markus Lanz” - the conclusion of the show
In “Markus Lanz” the politician Katja Kipping (left), the publicist Wolfram Weimer and the politician Ralf Stegner (SPD) delve deep into the political and social history of the Federal Republic. In the process, sensitive cracks open up between the three, which, despite a lively discussion, cannot be repaired. The entrepreneur Sarna Röser stayed out of the conversation for a long time before she called the SPD chancellor candidate Olaf Scholz the Trojan horse of the SPD left and vented her concern about red-red-green. This makes the debate even more emotional, the guests rock each other and talk at one another. Talk host Lanz said goodbye to the night with the recommendation to find peace and quiet with a sparkling wine tax-exempt drink.