Markus Lanz would like to discuss the Green election campaign with Cem Özdemir, but he does not play along - he refers to more important lessons from another talk guest.
Markus Lanz has to split his show in two on Thursday: On the one hand, the talk show host is still very interested in the election campaign, to which he invited the politician Cem Özdemir (Greens) and the journalist Michael Bröcker.
On the other hand, he has the opportunity to interview the Holocaust survivor Margot Friedländer on his program.
There is obviously a connection: At the beginning Friedländer let it be known that she doesn't follow day-to-day political affairs in Germany, but Özdemir knows her: “I think he's very intelligent.
I saw him with you, on your broadcast. "
Election campaign for "Markus Lanz"?
Cem Özdemir thinks there are more important things
That was on June 10, explains Lanz and explains that the Greens were at 22 percent in the polls at the time. Lanz wants to know from Özdemir how frustrating the development to today's 15 to 17 percent is, but he blocks: “I'm having a little hard time with Ms. Friedländer and the fact that we don't have that many survivors anymore have to talk about the lower percentages right now. "
The real reason that both Markus Lanz and Cem Özdemir practice their jobs is, says Özdemir: “That we make sure that this is never repeated and that this is actually the task because of which we started at some point, our profession to choose.
That we pass this on to the next generation and ensure that if the survivors are no longer there at some point, the knowledge is not lost. ”Özdemir points to the survey results and says:“ That is important. ”Then he points to Friedländer: "But that's more important."
Greens in the focus of propaganda posters, Özdemir pays tribute to the democratic cohesion of “Markus Lanz”
Lanz tries to put aside Özdemir's emotionality. It is a privilege to be able to experience contemporary witnesses, but because his broadcast must also show the year 2021, Özdemir cannot avoid the low survey figures. He stays serious and makes his point: “I want my party to win, I want it to be as strong as possible. I want it to come into government because of climate protection and liberal democracy. And as much as possible. But now I'm going to say something, maybe I'll talk my head and neck: if the other democratic parties rule, that's not good news for climate protection, but the country will not go under. We will then still be a liberal democracy, which is not the case in many countries. You can appreciate that from time to time. "
“No matter how big the dispute and the differences are, they are always smaller than the mutual difference to the AfD and the others. It is important that you do not forget that in the election campaign, in the way you speak, ”continues Özdemir and brings election campaign posters for the right-wing extremist party“ III. Weg ”into conversation, on which“ Hang the Greens! ”Can be read.
It is such a tone that also makes Margot Friedländer shake her head and think of the National Socialists: “This is how it started.
Maybe a little stronger, but it's horrific for us to see.
Because when I came back eleven years ago, I lived 64 years [lived in America], I've only come back eleven and a half years now.
It wasn't like that then.
It has changed very, very much and you don't do enough about it. ”The student Anna Staroselski nods, depressed and approving, and suspects the AfD's work as the cause.
"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on September 9th:
Cem Özdemir
(Greens) - politician
Margot Friedländer
- Holocaust survivor
Anna Staroselski
- student
Michael Bröcker
- journalist
With the help of the journalist Michael Bröcker and his transition, talk show host Lanz manages to get into the election campaign topic with Özdemir. In doing so, however, the guest literally demonstrates the host. After a few minutes of electoral skirmish, Lanz exclaimed almost desperately: “But now let's analyze the error! Where did you really make mistakes? ”Özdemir again evades that this has already been discussed often enough with“ Markus Lanz ”, and nothing new has been added.
Even Lanz's request as to whether the Green Chancellor candidate Annalena Baerbock should have been replaced leaves Özdemir ineffectual.
Özdemir sees the Left Party's no to the Afghanistan rescue operation of the Bundeswehr as an unwillingness to rule. With a gloomy face he says: “I take note of that.” However, he does not want to rule out such an alliance not for that.
You repeat your question, I repeat my answer. "
“Markus Lanz” cannot get hold of Green politician Özdemir
Because he is biting his teeth on the subject of the Left Party, Lanz tries it with the Liberals: Would a coalition with a finance minister Christian Lindner (FDP) who does not want to increase taxes be conceivable?
Özdemir replies evasively again: "Investing and reducing debt, that's how I would like to do it."
Finally, Lanz Özdemir served the fact that the Dutch billionaire Steven Schuurman recently donated 1.25 million euros to the Greens.
Because the Greens have been campaigning for an upper limit on party donations for ten years, talk show host Lanz thinks: “It doesn't work together.” Özdemir replies: “The logic cannot be: We are fighting for an upper limit, the others prevent the upper limit, the Greens but should adhere to it. "
"Markus Lanz" - the conclusion of the show
With “Markus Lanz” the presence of the Holocaust survivor Margot Friedländer affects the discussion from the beginning. The politician Cem Özdemir (Greens) circumnavigates a survey debate with Lanz with an emotional appreciation of democracy. He rarely gets hold of Özdemir, who has been washed down with water, although the journalist Michael Bröcker supports him as best he can. In the second part of the program, Holocaust survivor Margot Friedländer talks about her memories of fleeing the Third Reich and the murder of her family by the National Socialists. The student Anna Staroselski contributes her current view of anti-Semitism and Jewish life in Germany.