SPD, Green, FDP together at the traffic lights: Are these still exploratory talks, coalition negotiations already - or even the formation of a government?
Cologne - After a long break, Sandra Maischberger devoted herself to the topic of "Corona" again in her talk in the first.
She invited SPD health politician Karl Lauterbach, who is acting as a possible replacement for Jens Spahn, and the chairman of the National Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians, Andreas Gassen, for an interview.
But first it is about the big loser CDU and thus also about Armin Laschet, Prime Minister of the most populous state of North Rhine-Westphalia.
But if you follow the talk, then the ministerial title should be preceded by a "still" as quickly as possible.
The guests agree: Laschet will not be able to hold his post for much longer.
"Maischberger.
die week "- these guests discussed with:
Cem Özdemir
(B'90 / Greens) - former party leader
Herbert Reul
(CDU) - Interior Minister North Rhine-Westphalia
Karl Lauterbach
(SPD) health politician
Andreas Gassen
- Chairman of the National Association of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians
As experts:
Florian Schroeder
- cabaret artist
Katharina Hamberger
- capital correspondent for
Deutschlandfunk
Rainer Hank
- columnist for the
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ)
FAZ
columnist Rainer Hank
predicts that “it's going to work for a while,”
and cabaret artist Florian Schroeder adds in “Denglisch” that it is “brutal tactics by the CDU” to slowly “unload” Laschet like a music track.
Schroeder: “You wait until there is no one left to support you and then you will notice it yourself and then he will leave.” The comedian is certain, even if “Jamaica” did come, it would certainly not with Laschet at the head: "According to the number they will never make him Chancellor".
Greens goal: Conversion of the social market economy to an "ecological-social" market economy
The Green MP Cem Özdemir also sees Laschet as the big loser, if not as the culprit.
The bad election result of the Union was "already a total work of art by the CDU / CSU", said the former party chairman, who had been on friendly terms with Laschet up to now.
However, "after 16 years there is also time for a change," said Özdemir.
And promptly gets tangled up to the amusement of the audience when he says "Mrs. Laschet" instead of "Mrs. Merkel".
Long before the election, many had said in relation to the grand coalition governments: "Enough!" the one with the best political partner.
Green MP Cem Özdemir feels sorry for Laschet: "That must be terrible"
Maischberger openly asks the Minister of the Interior of North Rhine-Westphalia, Herbert Reul, when his boss will resign.
Reul does not fend off the question, but replies rather meekly: "He will decide that for himself" and does not hold back with his disappointment about the power struggle within the party.
Özdemir clarifies the dilemma for the CDU colleague: Laschet can currently no longer join any body of the Union without passing on confidential content to the
Bild
newspaper.
The green: "I'm sorry too, that must be terrible."
“Who is it from the CDU / CSU team who obviously can't hold back and always calls the 'Bild' newspaper?” Asks Maischberger Reul.
He prints: “You also have guesses, but none of that helps.
“Yes, that would interest me,” insists the journalist.
But Reul remains on the path of loyalty to his party.
And once again illustrates the Union's current dilemma: morale is on Team Laschet's side, but power is not.
When Maischberger skilfully speculates with rhetoric that it could be Jens Spahn, Reul moves her to an answer to the intriguer behind the scenes: “It has to be someone who puts his career plans above the idea”, Reul explains and suspects also several adversaries.
Deutschlandfunk correspondent Katharina Hamberger also places the mole more in the ranks of the CDU, while her
FAZ
colleague Rainer Hank does not rule out the FDP either, but justifies this with the surprising argument that Christian Lindner is now drawn to the traffic light and is now justifying it must, “why he is leaving his dream partner.
And that's where a piercing comes in handy ”.
Maischberger provokes Karl Lauterbach with a "superspreader event" by the SPD
Maischberger introduces the next thematic block with a provocation and brings in the current group photo of the new SPD parliamentary group, in which Lauterbach is the only one wearing a mask.
Maischberger: "Everyone else behaved against the regulation of the Bundestag." "
Lauterbach is discussing “Freedom Day” with Gassen, an official day on which all measures are to be lifted.
Lauterbach is completely against it and warns: “Much too dangerous, much too risky.” This would mean that all unvaccinated “run into the open knife”.
Lauterbach is in favor of the consistent introduction of the 2G rule.
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Lauterbach visits “maischberger.
the week"
© Screenshot: ARD / maischberger.
the week
Gassen finds the standard too binding: "This means that you must also legally prohibit smoking," he objects.
But Lauterbach counters that smoking is a much lower risk: "I would have to smoke for decades to get lung cancer." But to die of Covid within three weeks, "one night in the club" would be enough.
Gassen once again makes it clear: “From a medical point of view, the 2G rule is of course the safest.” But society expects a closer look at the situation.
When asked about the future government, Lauterbach is certain, who won the direct mandate of his constituency with 47.6 percent of the vote, “that the traffic lights will work” - and then he asks “Minister of Health?” Maischberger asks.
“If that were the case, I wouldn't divulge it.” He adds: “It is well known that I've been working in this area for a long time.
So if someone was looking for someone with a bit of experience, I would probably think about it. ”At the end of the day, Maischberger wanted to know from Gassen whether he would be happy about it.
He smiled meaningfully: "We've known each other for a while ..."
Conclusion of the “maischberger.
the week “talks
A lot of speculation, a lot of tight hold.
Sandra Maischberger asked persistently, but she could not reveal the essential information from the background.
But it became clear again where the camp lines run and "who so with whom" in political Berlin.
