The “Markus Lanz” round looks at the political quake in neighboring Austria, the state of the CDU / CSU and the current traffic light soundings.
Hamburg - “Markus Lanz” will be devoted to the political developments in Austria on Tuesday evening. Green politician Jürgen Trittin explains that he had heard of the allegations against ex-Chancellor Sebastian Kurz (ÖVP) before thousands of chat logs became public: “My Austrian friends have always told me that, but they have never been able to prove it. As a Piefke one is then obliged to say: Maybe this is folklore and they exaggerate a bit. I have now established that you have not exaggerated. "
Berlin's CDU boss Kai Wegner, on the other hand, says that the brief revelations surprised him: “There are allegations in the room that surveys may have been manipulated a bit.” Wegner says: “That would not be possible in Germany.” The author immediately interfered Elke Heidenreich and contradicts: “That would be just as possible in Germany. That surveys are paid for, that images are polished with money, that is just as possible here. That is possible everywhere. ”Heidenreich's thesis:“ You buy friends through advertisements, right? Isn't that how lobbying works? You put a lot of advertisements in a newspaper, you put a lot of money into it and then niceness comes back. This is usually how it works. I'm not claiming anything, I just look, I watch. "
Austria crisis to allegations about bought surveys: Trittin and Wegner cannot imagine something like that in Germany
“Can you buy surveys?” Talkmaster Lanz then asked Wegner.
“I don't know it like that, to be honest,” he replies.
“I don't know that either.
But I suspect that ", Heidenreich rows back a little, but Lanz intervenes:" If a politician says 'honestly', then you have to ask again. "Wegner collects himself and says:" I haven't experienced it like that.
Period.
And I can't imagine that either.
Of course, as a party, you can commission a survey, but you cannot tweak or tweak the values.
But then you get numbers and you like them or you don't like them. "
Trittin also doesn't know who to call to get a Green-friendly survey result: "If I want an honest story, if I want to know where I stand, then I would ask the Wahlen research group, maybe Allensbach." The Austrian journalist Florian Klenk amused the debate: “I just have to smile because they are discussing whether it is permissible to do an opinion poll.
In Austria it is not about the accusation that an opinion poll was fudged, but that a fudged opinion poll was paid for by the taxpayers because the pollster was allowed to charge this opinion poll to the Ministry of Finance as an anti-fraud study. "
Sebastian Kurz is no longer Austria's Chancellor - Florian Klenk at "Markus Lanz": "His plan worked out"
Klenk traces how Sebastian Kurz grabbed power in the ÖVP and in Austria by all means in 2016.
His pithy summary: “Produce fake news, distribute fake news and make the public pay for their own disinformation.
That is the core of the charge.
To disavow his own party leader, whom he calls an 'ass' in these chats, in order to get rid of the incumbent Chancellor. ”The plan worked and Kurz became Chancellor.
"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on October 12th:
Jürgen Trittin
(Greens) - politician
Kai Wegner
(CDU) - politician
Elke Heidenreich
- author
Florian Klenk
- journalist
The conservative People's Party is not only struggling in Austria, the CDU is also fighting for its future in Germany.
While Trittin believes that a conservative democratic party is good for Germany, Heidenreich is upset: “The Union is only about maintaining power!” She does not take the CDU's commitments to modernization away from those involved, even the young politicians are old men : “Philipp Amthor is already older than me.
And I'm 80. That doesn't even exist.
Where is the youth?
Where are the women?"
CDU facing personnel change - Kai Wegner at "Markus Lanz": "I will not talk about names"
Wegner defends the actions of his party chairman Armin Laschet: "He made it clear that he will not run again as federal chairman." Before his approach to moderate a personnel transition, Wegner takes off his hat: "He could now have thrown out and ran away Federal office, the CDU Germany can leave and say: 'I have now lost the election and then I'm gone.' "
When asked about new strengths within the Christian Democrats, Wegner responded defensively: “I won't talk about names.” “There aren't any!” Heidenreich exclaimed.
Wegner tries to meet the angry Heidenreich with calm: “I believe that we have strong women and men.
I will still not talk about heads.
Because we've always done this very quickly since 2018 and that's why we are in this situation now. "
“Markus Lanz” - the conclusion of the show
On Tuesday evening, the “Markus Lanz” group will mainly focus on neighboring Austria.
The journalist Florian Klenk reports in detail about the events in the Vienna Chancellery.
The opinionated author Elke Heidenreich suspects that the Kurz case is no exception in politics.
The politicians Jürgen Trittin (Greens) and Kai Wegner (CDU) are largely withdrawn.
Afterwards, the guests will debate the state of the CDU / CSU with talk show host Lanz.
Heidenreich makes every effort to address Union representatives Wegner.
But he largely kept calm.
At the end of the program, the group spans an arc from the current exploratory talks to the controversy surrounding the Green politician Sarah-Lee Heinrich to gender-equitable language.
