The “Markus Lanz” group looks a lot at the future of the CDU.
But the pandemic situation is also coming to the fore again - combined with a social division.
Hamburg - At "Markus Lanz" everything revolves around the CDU on Wednesday evening. Journalist Mariam Lau reports that the Christian Democrats have had an interview ban. “Who does it apply to?”, The host Markus Lanz would like to know from her. Lau: “I think that applies primarily to the aspirants. Those who want to take over the party now. So the five applicants for the office of party chairmanship, above all those. But I think it also applies to everyone who has now pushed their way forward with interviews and said that no stone should be left unturned. Especially those should be disciplined a bit now. ”CDU politician Karl-Josef Laumann is still sitting unmolested with“ Markus Lanz ”and does not want to justify himself:“ I didn't ask anyone and I wasn't asked about it.I'm going where I want to go. Done, off. "
Laumann knows nothing of such a lock: “I haven't heard at all that there is a lock. It is clear that in a party committee it is said that I have already seen it a thousand times: Please pass the cameras. ”Laumann explains that the electoral debacle of the Christian Democrats has several causes ), on the other hand Chancellor candidate Armin Laschet (CDU) did not have a majority. Laumann talks about his experiences during the election campaign: “It is very simple that, of course, the people on the doorstep said to our election campaigners: Why should Laschet now become Federal Chancellor? So. I can't ignore that. "Laumann crumpled up the conclusion:" There was simply no luck with this candidacy right from the start,what you need in the end. "
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So was Laschet the wrong candidate? “I think Armin Laschet asks himself the question,” Laumann suspects and explains: “Because if you get out of an election like we did now, you simply have to ask yourself these questions. I just don't know, and I'll say that now quite openly, whether the Bavarian Prime Minister would have been the better candidate for chancellor for the party. ”Laumann can only speculate about who will succeed Laschet as party leader of the CDU:“ Nobody will who does not have some political experience. I do not believe that someone can lead such a large party as the CDU if he does not have certain political and life experiences. "
Applying this standard, the circle of candidates for the office of party chairman is manageable, as Laumann admits: “The names are on the table, and they are now warming up.
I do believe that it will be one of them in the end. ”Talk host Lanz lists:“ Röttgen, Merz, Spahn, Linnemann, Brinkhaus.
Five men from NRW.
Who would you vote for? ”“ I'm not telling you that today, ”replies Laumann, explaining what matters to him:“ That the CDU chairmanship is tied to the fact that this is a person who knows: I can do this CDU do not lead in one direction.
But from the point of view of a CDU chairman, the CDU must be a broad-based party. "
"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on October 13th:
Karl-Josef Laumann
(CDU) - politician
Mariam Lau
- journalist
Christina Berndt
- journalist
Stephan Grünewald
- psychologist
“If the traffic light probes don't work now,” ponders host Lanz, “who is Christian Lindner calling?” “He currently has to call Armin Laschet,” says Mariam Lau. "And who does Armin Laschet connect to?" Asks Lanz in the direction of Laumann. He says: “I believe that Armin Laschet is already able to hold such discussions at the moment. In principle, he does not lead them alone. Nobody does that. "Once the personnel transition has been completed, Laumann would like Armin Laschet to remain an active party member:" I hope that Armin Laschet will find a good place in our party or find a good place in political work. Because I just think he's a good politician. Point."
Laumann cannot gain anything from a member survey about the successor to the party leadership: “Of course, the CDU members no longer reflect our electorate.
I'm not talking about the population as a whole, that wouldn't be so bad at all.
But the people who vote for the CDU are composed differently, thank God, like the members of the CDU.
And that's why I have a little problem with the question of member surveys.
Is that what our people want? "
Corona situation in Germany - Christina Berndt at "Markus Lanz": "I find it very frightening to watch"
In the second part of the program, the “Markus Lanz” group looks at the pandemic situation in Germany. The journalist Christina Berndt notes a social division that is continuing: “I find it very frightening to observe how these fronts are hardening more and more. It basically started in the summer, when it was discussed for the first time which rules apply, which freedoms can vaccinated people get back, what do unvaccinated people have to endure. That's when it started, but now I think the wind has gotten really icy. That even such demands came on the table as: Vaccinated people, if they come to the hospital, they should be given preferential treatment. "
"90 percent of people are afraid that this society will drift hopelessly apart", confirms the psychologist Stephan Grünewald and explains why politics is therefore particularly in focus: "They have the ardent wish for politics that it will be brought together again." From a psychological point of view, Grünewald is in favor of compulsory vaccination: “Paradoxically, a ban can even relieve the burden.
Bans always create an anti-authoritarian reflex - we don't want to be patronized.
But when the ban is out, it is a discharge.
Because then I'm no longer the stupid one who sticks to it or doesn't stick to it, but rather it is a general norm. "
“Markus Lanz” - the conclusion of the show
In “Markus Lanz”, the politician Karl-Josef Laumann (CDU) comments in detail on the situation in his party.
Together with the journalist Mariam Lau, talk show host Markus Lanz puts the health minister from North Rhine-Westphalia on the tooth.
He strengthens Union Chancellor candidate Armin Laschet (CDU), but also says: "His days as chairman of the CDU in Germany are numbered." The psychologist Stephan Grünewald reports on the results of his in-depth interview study and how society is currently on politics and its institutions stands.
At the end of the program, the group discussed the Corona situation in Germany with journalist Christina Berndt.
