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"Since 1967 there has not been a media frenzy like in Corona" - Walla! Brenze

2021-10-14T10:45:46.056Z


On the Corona: "In the future they will not believe what happened here" | About the media: "The network wanted to like me on the net, so they hid us" About themselves: "This plague is mostly hysteria looking for a scapegoat. This is how it has been throughout history, from witch hunts to Dreyfus" | Tickle with Orly and Guy like you never heard


"I sat down with Arad Nir this week. He fights for every such slot. And he suffers terribly, he has a very hard time with it, because everyone around him belittles him and makes him illegitimate."

After many years in commercial television, the pair of journalists Orly Vilnai and Guy Maroz are getting used to the new page they have opened - as independent journalists. Orly and Guy were hosted on

the Israel Press Institute

's Ticketing "podcast

, and also discussed, among other things, the case of Prof. Yoram Les' hidden interview on Democrat TV, the multiplicity of lawsuits and conflicts in which they are involved, and one journalistic mistake they admit.



A small part of the conversation is presented here in writing. Listen to the full conversation.



Before we get started, I'm trying to figure out, because I have not really found mentions in Google since the beginning of the corona. When was the last time you were interviewed? Could it be that you have become a persona non-greta?



Orly: "We actually performed in the studio Friday recently, but many turned and refused. And sometimes it's better not, we know the media and the manipulations and lies on TV and do not want to fall into them. It is very interesting to see it from the side because when you are in it you are sucked. How much of this impossible and illogical competition for the hysterical and extreme public attention brings to one voice. For a year and a half the media speaks with one voice. "Wouldn't we be swept away by this hysteria? I want to believe not. I sat with Arad Nir this week. He fights for every such slot. And he suffers terribly, he has a very hard time with it, because everyone around him belittles him and makes him illegitimate."



Guy: "I think it's more serious. Since 1967 there has not been such a big turnaround in the Israeli media. Today we understand how much we were in a false euphoria then. And today it is just as serious. We will be one absolute and lonely voice. We have no doubt that this will turn around in the next six months. "Or another year or two more years, when the final data arrives and they do not believe what happened here. All the journalists who spoke to the Ministry of Health, I do not know what will happen in the end, really."



Orly: "What will be their end? They will progress. That's how it works, isn't it?".

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Despite the inclusion, Bennett goes 3/4 way.

Interior Minister Ayelet Shaked (Photo: Screenshot, News 12)

"I hate being a herd"

"Take Education Minister Yifat Shasha Bitton, one of the bravest women who have been here. How much she had to give her message, which she terribly believed in, to please the Ministry of Health."

Ok. Let's put the media aside for a moment. From Bennett you are totally satisfied, no? Ayelet Shaked also said that the dead should be contained - this is actually your thesis on one leg.



"Almost. We were very happy that there are no closures. When we made the first film and spoke against the closures, do you know what they did to us? Do you understand that? Today everyone talks like that. Bennett goes 3/4 way. What children do today with the tests, it's awful "Take Education Minister Yifat Shasha Bitton, one of the bravest women who have been here. How much she had to give her message, which she believed in terribly, in order to please the Ministry of Health."



If the Ministry of Education, I would like to read you an excerpt from a television review by Jasmine Levy in Haaretz specifically about your second film, "Leave the Children." "In the trending film, which will probably become a hit among vaccine opponents, swingers and frustrated parents ... you will not hear of exhausted doctors telling the media with trout eyes and growing despair that 91 percent of those connected to Acme are unvaccinated young and are forced to prioritize between unvaccinated and unvaccinated young." You do not feel a drop of responsibility towards vaccine opponents or corona deniers who use you?



Guy: "No. What can we do? Take an example, the fact that Trump was like in our position - it's awful. But you can not know what people will do with what we think."



Orly: "What do you and Jasmine actually say here? Shut up and do not say what you think because maybe someone will misunderstand it will make bad use of it. When you go with your truth there are hitchhikers. We are vaccinated and in favor of vaccines, and if you have to tell people no we They say no. I hate being a herd. If you are a journalist you have to see the processes on several levels, without fear and without prejudice no matter what they say. I did the same in everything related to feminism, when I was asked to draw a line. What they think. "



Guy: "Listen, I'm also a teacher. There was a group of unvaccinated teachers who asked me to come with them to the demonstration and I refused. I told them 'Listen, I'm vaccinated. I'm not going to support that."

"She had to moderate her message."

Education Minister Yifat Shasha Bitton (Photo: Flash 90, Yonatan Zindel)

"They approach us on the street and say thank you"

So now turn vaccine opponents into those who need to be dumped on a lonely island, and take the periphery of it as well. Most of the people who opposed us did not see our film at all. "

So how do you explain the supernatural to you?



Guy: "Because we're alone, count how many people in the media talk like that. Maybe ten people. And it's awfully hard.



Orly:" Fear of blindness. This plague is mostly a plague of hysteria. This fear takes people to look for a scapegoat or culprit. This is how it has been throughout history in times of panic. Hunting witches or Dreyfus and so on. You need to find as a people who you can be angry with. So now turn vaccine opponents into those who need to be dumped on a lonely island, and take the periphery of it as well. Most of the people who opposed us did not see our film at all. "



Maybe because in advance there were only people in your films who agree with you.



" In the first film, everyone in the Ministry of Health refused to participate. Prof. Eran Segal, Sadecki, Elrai Price. Everyone. In the second film, we no longer turned. "We are



not just talking about the Ministry of Health. There are a lot of medical people who think differently from you.



"This is a cheeky and annoying question. These people are on the main channels 24/7 all the time, so in this movie we brought in those who don't get it. But why not also talk about the masses who say thank you? They say we are right and that's what they want to hear. He approached me and thanked me, and it happens a lot, on the street and in general. "

"They reduced us because they closed with him on a broadcast."

Eyal Golan (Photo: Ronen Ackerman)

"The better the achievements, the more we felt hidden."

"The desire to please the public and bring Eyal Golan lovers and babysitters to Prime Time made the network reduce us and the investigation"

Say, do you find anything in common with the Kotler visa? You are both victims of Channel Ten. You both make a different voice in Corona. You both fought in Balfour - she is from Jerusalem and you are from Tel Aviv.



Guy: "Yes, there is quite a bit in common. In general, these attitudes and quarrels, it happens to me family with friends. Once it was left right, once we were a quality group of knife stabs in the back of the nation, today the division is who is for and against vaccines."



In fact, publicly, you have lost in all the recent affair in which you have taken sides: in Corona, the majority is not with you. Ayia Napa also ended with the young people returning to Israel as heroes. Eyal Golan is also still one of the most popular singers in Israel, and most of the media have mobilized for the bleaching machine of his actions, even though you have made new discoveries.



"It's really not certain that we lost. At the moment, Eyal Golan's 'lying' case is pending in court. Regarding Aya Nefa, an appeal has recently been filed with the Supreme Court in Cyprus. In general, the story of Harvey Weinstein also closed and there was a journalist who managed to open it. It is not always measured a year later.



"We go with our truth no matter what. In both stories, we started the story without knowing the answer. In Golan's story we were sent by his promoter Bnei Peretz to find the 'liars'. When we asked them to be interviewed and they said they should check with him and then we understood. You know how much we got caught up in it? In the channel where we worked and aired the investigation on Eyal Golan, we slowly disappeared from all kinds of promos, and as time went on we realized that it turned out that they closed with him on a show on Independence Day. "Satisfying the public and bringing Eyal Golan lovers and babysitters to Prime Time made them reduce us and the investigation."



Are you talking about the process that has taken place on Network 13 since the union with Ten?



"Absolutely, Channel 10 was a free channel. From the moment it was united with a network, everything was turned upside down. A different world. Netanyahu did everything to close Channel Ten, and he succeeded."



Do you have evidence of Netanyahu's political involvement in the channel, such as the one described by former magazine editor Nir Bachar after his dismissal?



Orly: "I saw it during the Toyota period (Israel Toyota, CEO of News 13 until recently D.O.).

We are not there a little after the union.

Look, Eyal Golan was the film with the highest rating on the net that year, when the viewing figures arrived in the morning, we were sure we would get flower chocolates.

And in the channel?

Silence.

Our moves after and despite the success have been reduced.

And in real time we did not understand that.

The better the achievements, the more we felt they were hiding us. "

Claimed to have been fired on racist grounds.

Barak Ravid (Photo: Walla !, Barak Ravid)

"We make a great living"

"We are not interested in politics. Shouts in the press or in current affairs programs do not understand why people see it. It is political gossip."

I mean do you agree with what Barak Ravid, who was fired from News 13, said that there was discrimination against Ashkenazis?



Guy: "We don't know that. We missed the storm."



Orly: "No, I say again. It's a process. It does not happen all at once. You feel that something has become murky in the environment in which you work. Channel 10 was a journalistic guerrilla, and suddenly not. And you understand that this is something the government dictated."



With the right offer, do you see yourself going back there or to commercial TV sometime?



"We have a lot of fun now."



Sorry for the question, but you do not have to make a living?



"We make a great living. We have worked and earned very well all these years so that we do not get stressed and we can not make a living for a while, and especially so that we do not get upset and angry and compete all the time. But we make a good living. That we have the independent program, which gets hundreds of thousands of views. In general, we are not interested in politics. Shouts in the press or in current affairs programs, do not understand why people see it. It is political gossip. "It doesn't matter. The whole political press is blind to the public eye."

Source: walla

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