The coalition talks are ongoing, the election winner SPD is noticeably covered.
In return, the two “smaller” coalition partners are pushing into the foreground.
Maybrit Illner probes the mood.
Brave, new, climate-friendly world! Olaf Scholz spoke of a "revolution of the century". Full steam ahead, promises the traffic light. But the good new world also has a good price. The Greens are currently aiming for 50 to 100 billion euros annually for investments. Maybrit Illner sums up the initial situation in her ZDF talk even a little more drastically. She speaks boldly of one trillion euros in government spending for the renovation in the next decade. And asks the Gretchen question: How can this be reconciled with the FDP's demand for a debt brake?
In addition, there is the poor financial starting position: While the last coalition started with a plus of 70 billion euros, the federal budget - largely due to the Corona policy - is currently in record-loss.
The CDU member Norbert Röttgen balanced the current level of debt: “470 billion euros”, the 30 billion euros of flood aid promised to the victims, “not yet included,” said Röttgen.
“Have you already taken a selfie with Mr. Kubicki today?” Jokes Illner Baerbock
Maybrit Illner - dressed in black and yellow - is skeptical of her traffic light guests.
It questions the credibility of the possible new coalition.
Relentlessly she knocks the statements of the FDP around the ears of the Greens leader Annalena Baerbock.
In a clip she lets FDP vice-president Wolfgang Kubicki speak again, who Baerbock calls "one of the most overrated personalities in German politics".
Illner adds pointedly towards Baerbock: "Have you already taken a selfie with Mr. Kubicki?"
But today we talked nicely with each other! "
"Maybrit Illner" - these guests discussed with:
Norbert Röttgen (CDU)
- Member of the Bundestag, member of the CDU Presidium
Annalena Baerbock (Greens)
- party leader
Christian Lindner (FDP)
- party chairman
Herfried Münkler
- emeritus professor for political theory and the history of ideas at the Humboldt University Berlin
Christiane Hoffmann
- author in the
Spiegel office
in the capital
Christian Lindner tries - also when asked about his blows in the direction of the Greens - in relativization and departure: "Bullerbü" was just a quote, says the FDP boss somewhat meekly.
In addition, different views belonged to democracy, now it is important to "approach each other".
Röttgen, who was deeply disappointed with “Anne Will” shortly after the election failure four weeks ago, is in a different condition with Illner.
Black-Green would have "screwed up" both parties, Röttgen plays down his party's election disaster and seems to have come to terms with the opposition role.
“The second most beautiful task in a democracy,” he laughs into the camera.
Norbert Röttgen calls the traffic light exploratory paper a "step backwards"
At the same time, Röttgen tears - in the spirit of his proclaimed new passion - the current exploratory paper of the traffic light almost with relish.
According to the CDU presidium member, there is no trace of a “departure”, that is the “status quo” in terms of tax policy and even a “step backwards” in terms of the climate: instead of accounting for every sector as annually, it is now multiannual and cross-sectoral.
Röttgen laconically: "More rhetoric than substance!"
Journalist Christiane Hoffmann agrees, calls the traffic light “an alliance of convenience” and believes it is wrong to pretend to be a great team.
According to the political journalist, the citizens “feel unbelievable”.
So far, the paper has "very little policy in it".
How the financing could go, Illner wants to go back to the topic of your show. "There is still no medium-term financial plan, that would not be serious", Lindner squirms, the "final cash drop" is still missing. In response to inquiries, he mentions investment funds that have not yet been called up from the previous legislature and private investments, for example low-interest capital from life insurances, which, with the support of the Reconstruction Loan Corporation, could become an “interesting set of instruments”.
Baerbock brings another aspect to the table: "We have Deutsche Bahn, which can take out loans as an independent actor," she chatted briskly and made Lindner blink.
Röttgen immediately smells the roast: "If you move tasks outside of the federal budget, it leads to a lack of transparency," he criticizes the proposal.
Using Deutsche Bahn as a self-financing provider is actually the beginning of a “shadow budget”.
Baerbock brushes aside the objections and makes it clear in which dimensions she thinks: "Climate-neutral investments will strengthen all of Europe."
Green leader Baerbock prefers Robert Habeck as finance minister at "Maybrit Illner"
“Would Habeck be the better finance minister?” Illner asks Baerbock directly at the end. The office, which Norbert Röttgen described a few minutes earlier as the most influential in the federal government, has so far been viewed more as Lindner's portfolio. When the head of the Greens hesitated with her answer and glanced at Christian Lindner, Illner insisted: “You can now simply say 'yes'.” Baerbock visibly disrupts the concept: “Of course we say we want to design, we do would like to occupy the finance ministry. ”And promptly stabbed the coalition partner Lindner, who had just announced that personnel issues would not be discussed publicly.
Lindner blinks again: “The goal must be for a government to be in office during St. Nicholas Week,” he continues, clearly trying to maintain a position and adding to Baerbock, who promptly has to swallow: “We should have some party-political ones now Leave the debate behind us so that we can get a stable government. "
Conclusion of the “Maybrit Illner” talk
After the yellow-green “Friede, Freude, Eierkuchen” selfie shortly after the election, Illner now takes a look behind the scenes.
And it becomes clear: all is not well.
Whether the government is fit for a catastrophe and whether the wave of debt can drain off sufficiently, whether enough new things can emerge from the old, will probably only be known to voters afterwards.
