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Traffic light stress? Lindner built Habeck and Scholz the financial back door - Spahn sees Union in crisis


The negotiators from the SPD, Greens and FDP want to get down to business quickly. Position papers are due to be presented in early November, but one main question remains open. The news ticker.

The negotiators from the SPD, Greens and FDP want to get down to business quickly.

Position papers are due to be presented in early November, but one main question remains open.

The news ticker.

  • The traffic light coalition negotiations started on Wednesday.

  • The SPD, Greens and FDP have missed an ambitious schedule - the first results should be available as early as the beginning of November (

    see first report


  • An open question, however, is that of financing.

    FDP boss Christian Lindner expects high investment needs, but rules out another solution.


    Update from 9.45 a.m.


  • This news ticker is continuously updated.

Update from October 22nd, 5 p.m.:

The deputy CDU chairman Jens Spahn sees a difficult time for his party after the expected formation of a traffic light coalition.

Much of what the SPD, Greens and FDP would have agreed at the end of their exploratory talks would probably have come out of a Jamaica alliance, said Spahn in the “Interview of the Week” on Deutschlandfunk, which will be broadcast on Sunday.

At the same time, he reaffirmed his ambitions for the CDU chairmanship.

"I feel like shaping the new CDU," said Spahn, referring to his own role in the future.

It is an honor for every Christian Democrat to be chairman of the CDU.

At the same time, respect demanded to adhere to the agreed procedures and to wait for the CDU district chairman conference planned for the end of next week.

There is a broad need among the party base to have a say.

At the same time, there is a need not to have a fight, said Spahn.

Therefore, there has to be a team that brings the party together.

For the successor to CDU leader Armin Laschet, several politicians needed themselves in addition to Spahn, including the former Union parliamentary group leader Friedrich Merz and foreign politician Norbert Röttgen.

Update from October 22nd, 2:06 p.m.: It is

still not foreseeable whether a traffic light coalition will come about at all - but CSU boss Markus Söder is already


the three parliamentary groups of the SPD, Greens and FDP responsible.

The Prime Minister's Conference with its short-term boss Armin Laschet * has called for a successor solution for the epidemic situation that is likely to be coming to an end.

The Bavarian sees the traffic light addressed.

“Unfortunately, Corona is coming back with great force.

The new traffic light majority must not duck back ”, he emphasized after the annual meeting of the prime ministers.

Traffic light coalition facing financial trouble?

SPD is now relying on unexpected help

Update from October 22nd, 1:15 p.m.:

The traffic light parties could quickly run into financial problems in the coalition negotiations - the corresponding dispute has flared up again and again for days. SPD general secretary Lars Klingbeil relies on de-escalation, but above all on a kind of "external" solution. He expressed confidence that the planned investments would be financed to a lesser extent with debt than was generally expected.

Klingbeil pointed out in the newspapers of the Funke media group that “already 50 billion euros per year are in the budget for future investments”. In addition, the future coalition wants to "stimulate even more private investment". When asked whether the “Ampel” can manage without major new borrowing, Klingbeil said: “We will clarify the details in the negotiations. But we are growing much faster than we feared at the height of Corona. ”That will ensure“ that there is more tax income ”.

SPD boss Norbert Walter-Borjans said in the ZDF “Morgenmagazin” that there was “scope for investments in the future” within the debt brake.

This is deliberately designed.

For this type of expenditure “the debt brake gives more than some think”.

His FDP counterpart Christian Lindner had previously publicly excluded a financial



see previous update


Traffic light stress?

Lindner expects billions to be needed - but Habeck and Scholz built the next back door

Update from October 22nd, 9.45 a.m.:

How does the possible traffic light coalition intend to finance its expensive projects while keeping the debt brake? All sorts of auxiliary constructions have recently been debated - and some experts have found them “not serious”. One of the ways out for the debt-willing partners SPD and Greens seems to be ruling out FDP boss Christian Lindner already. With exactly the said argument.

"If you now use the existing credit authorizations opened because of the corona pandemic to create a stockpile for a new coalition, that would not be serious," said Lindner on Thursday evening in the ZDF program "Maybrit Illner" *.

"The debt brake has been suspended because of a pandemic, not because of the transformation of the economy," said Lindner.

He believes that the SPD and the Greens are also in favor of “that we also remain serious in budget and financial policy”.

Some economists have proposed taking out loans through the Corona exemption in 2022 and thus creating a reserve from which, for example, investments for climate protection will be financed in the following years.

Constitutional lawyers consider this to be an inadmissible misappropriation.

Lindner assumed that there would be an additional need for public and private investments that would be “well above 50 billion euros” per year.

This is not possible without “new instruments that are compatible with the market economy and with which important projects are also supported with private capital”.

Traffic light negotiations with an ambitious schedule: Central results already announced for the beginning of November


Christian Lindner (left), Olaf Scholz and Norbert Walter-Borjans (right), after a statement on the exploratory talks between the SPD, FDP and the Greens.

(Archive image)

© Kay Nietfeld / dpa

First report:

Berlin - the schedule is ambitious: In the week from December 6th to 10th, the SPD *, Greens * and FDP * want to form a joint federal government - with a Chancellor Olaf Scholz * at the helm. At the start of their coalition negotiations, the parties appointed the heads of 22 working groups that are supposed to lash down the details of a first traffic light coalition at the federal level. An agreement is to be presented by the end of November.

"We have set ourselves this ambitious schedule because we are of the opinion that Germany should have a stable government as soon as possible this year," said FDP General Secretary Volker Wissing.

“The soundings gave us courage,” Wissing continued.

Christmas has now turned into St.

Traffic light negotiations in Berlin: Greens and FDP are confident

According to SPD General Secretary Lars Klingbeil, the working groups will begin their deliberations on Wednesday because the constituent session of the Bundestag will take place on Tuesday.

The working groups with a total of 300 members should then - with the exception of the weekends - meet for talks almost every day in order to develop position papers on the individual areas by November 10th.

Klingbeil said that the main negotiating group should then deal with "any remaining areas of conflict" with the party leaders.

After the planned completion of the coalition agreement at the end of November, the parties should have the floor in the first week of December.

Coalition negotiations between the SPD, the Greens and the FDP: traffic lights should be up until the beginning of December

How often they meet during this time is up to them, according to the Greens federal manager, Kellner.

But it continues to apply: "No weekends, no night meetings".

The agreements in the exploratory paper should no longer be shaken.

"Where we have made agreements, then we also made agreements," said Kellner.

Looking at the schedule, Kellner spoke of a complex undertaking.

“It will certainly knot at some point.

Anything else would surprise me. ”But he was sure that the coalition negotiations would succeed.

The schedule sets a target, but this is not set in stone either.

For the Greens there is now a chance to be in a federal government for the first time in 16 years and to shape a “new departure”.

Video: Traffic light parties SPD, Greens and FDP aim to be elected chancellor in December

Wissing spoke of a tight schedule, but also referred to bad experiences with the Jamaica negotiations in 2017. “We have already had different experiences elsewhere: if you talk about things too long, the problems don't get any smaller , and the hurdles are no smaller, ”he said.

“The soundings gave us courage.

We have been able to remove hurdles that have now led us optimistically and confidently into this phase of the coalition negotiations. ”In the event of a result, the FDP“ will be able to convene a special party conference even at short notice ”.

A first meeting of the main negotiators at the Berlin exhibition center on Thursday should serve the purpose of networking.

High-level representatives from each party should meet with the leaders of the working groups negotiating the details of a coalition agreement.

The sticking points in the search for a program for a traffic light coalition are primarily differences in tax and financial policy and the right path to climate protection.

After the 2017 general election, negotiations to form a new government had taken months.

After talks between the Union, the Greens and the FDP failed, a coalition of the Union and the SPD was formed.

(dpa / AFP / fmü) * is an offer from IPPEN.MEDIA.

Source: merkur

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