The exploratory talks between the SPD, the Greens and the FDP are considered concluded, and the coalition negotiations will start on Wednesday.
Anne Will asked the current state of affairs.
Berlin - "GroKo-Aus on Nikolaus", Anne Will rhymes in the introduction of her political talk in the first.
The moderator refers to the announcements of the designated traffic light coalition, which had promised to form a new government by the beginning of December.
Under the title “The traffic lights are on the move - can red-green-yellow be financed?” Will invited Robert Habeck and Olaf Scholz to the studio and put them both on their left.
That leaves the audience puzzled: Isn't there someone missing in the triple fret?
But with Will's first question, it becomes clear where the broadcast trip should go: “The FDP has prevailed with everything it wanted to achieve, namely against the SPD and the Greens.
How much does that annoy you? ”, The moderator takes the SPD leader Olaf Scholz to her chest.
"Anne Will" (ARD) - these guests discussed with:
Olaf Scholz (SPD) -
Federal Minister of Finance, Vice Chancellor and SPD candidate for Chancellor
Robert Habeck (Bündnis 90 / Die Grünen)
- party chairman
Prof. Claudia Kemfert -
Head of Department Energy, Transport, Environment at the German Institute for Economic Research (DIW Berlin)
Prof. Ursula Münch -
Director of the Academy for Political Education in Tutzing
Rainer Hank -
business journalist
Scholz remains calm, smiles at the subtle context that the liberals have pulled him off the table and prefers to speak of a “government that makes a new beginning possible” and of the “optimistic mood” that he has among those involved in the government as well as among the “citizens”.
"Anne Will" (ARD): Scholz boasts of the left-wing demand - raising the minimum wage to 12 euros
But Will is not that easy to please. The moderator lists where the FDP - according to a published exploratory paper - has so far successfully built: “Tempo 130 refused. Wealth tax rejected. Citizens' insurance rejected. "Will adds smugly - as an allusion to a quote from Lindner from the previous legislature -:" Isn't it better to govern than to govern wrongly under the FDP? "
Scholz smiles benevolently again, even if he is already trying harder than a short time before. But the federal politician routinely turns his gaze away from the confessions to the content that his party has enforced: basic security for children in order to stop poverty. The planned residential construction of 400,000 units per year plus 100,000 subsidized apartments. The pension protection and the minimum wage increase to twelve euros. All measures, explains Scholz, which, in addition to more money in the pockets of the workers, are also intended to increase the social status of the workers.
Next, Will Habeck quotes on the interrogation chair.
This time she uses a formulation by the Greens veteran Christoph Ströbele, who spoke of the “Lindner's Porsche” course, which caused the Greens' goals to fall behind.
“Mr. Habeck, why didn't you slow down Lindner's Porsche,” Will asks briskly, why didn't he fight for “a fairer world”?
"Anne Will" (ARD): Habeck compares German speed limit opponents with gun freaks in the USA
Habeck is easier to lure out of the reserve than the previous speaker.
The exploratory talks, Habeck complains annoyed towards Will, are not "sandpit games" about "who wins, who loses".
Ultimately, the voters would have decided, so the Greens boss and thus created certain design principles.
He already sees it as a merit to have found "eye level" with the Liberals.
Habeck then shows that he is personally troubled by the speed limit that the FDP did not want to introduce: “The lawn on the autobahn in Germany is a bit like having guns in the USA.
It doesn't make sense to me either that this is held up so high, ”said Habeck.
Will changes back to Scholz and does not even think about leaving the "sandpit game": higher top tax rate, introduction of property and inheritance tax.
Those were the SPD election campaign goals.
But they would no longer appear in the exploratory paper.
“How did Christian Lindner manage to demand that from you?” Asks the talk show host.
Now Schlolz is also showing slight signs of annoyance: “It's okay that you are following your obsessions here,” says Scholz, leaving no doubt that he actually doesn't think that's okay at all.
"Anne Will" (ARD): Habeck praises Scholz in terms of climate protection - "will be a climate chancellor"
The presumably next German Chancellor uses the word given to him - instead of criticizing the moderation - for his vision. Scholz: "This is the kind of modernization in Germany that probably last took place in this dimension at the end of the 19th century, when the great industrial boom in Germany took place." The key point is the transformation from one based on fossil fuels to one electricity-based industry and society.
But that's not all: Scholz wants to make Germany - which accounts for two percent of global warming - a pioneer of green technology and thus save the world: "We are the country that develops the technologies that make it possible worldwide", announces the future chancellor. But he does not reveal how he intends to assert German industrial interests abroad - especially in Asia - with the governments there. Habeck still gives the person sitting next to him advance laurels: "Olaf Scholz will be a climate chancellor."
At the end it is about the distribution of the ministries.
Will the Ministry of Finance now go to Lindner?
Will Habeck become the first climate minister?
What about the Department of Defense?
But Habeck holds tight: “It's all shadow boxing,” the green man said.
Items are currently not up for debate.
Journalist Hank doesn't quite believe this and protests with regard to the different positions of the FDP and the Greens, among other things with regard to the debt brake.
Hank: "It doesn't matter to the citizens whether you become finance minister".
But Habeck just shrugs his shoulders.
When Prof. Ursula Münch brought the Ministry of Defense into play, at least Scholz shook his head and gave a hint that this could fall into the hands of his party.
“Anne Will” (ARD): Conclusion of the political talk
The talk offered a relatively well-founded insight into the outcome of the exploratory round before the concrete coalition negotiations start on Wednesday.
And made it clear: In contrast to the start with a selfie greeting by the two “small” coalition partners, the axis has meanwhile shifted towards the SPD and the Greens.
At the traffic light, yellow has the shortest phase.
Red and green are decisive.
It remains to be seen whether the government traffic lights will do the same.
