In “Markus Lanz”, the talk show host debates with CDU man Haseloff about the lost federal election - he shoots hard at Armin Laschet.
Hamburg - The "Markus Lanz" round listens on Tuesday evening to the interview between talk show host Markus Lanz and the politician Reiner Haseloff (CDU).
The Prime Minister of Saxony-Anhalt lets himself into a late and brief election campaign analysis, which hardly leaves a good hair on Armin Laschet (CDU).
Lanz puts his finger directly into the wound: “You are still really angry.
She totally annoys how they screwed up this choice. "
The CDU politician - who at the time was clearly in favor of the Bavarian during the struggle between Laschet and Söder for the candidacy for chancellor - has no choice but to admit that. With another candidate for Chancellor, Haseloff's thesis goes, the Union would have done better in the eastern German states - and “definitely won the election”. The talk show host Lanz finds it “fascinating” what Haseloff says “everything between the lines”. Haseloff's Laschet conclusion: "As a politician, it is not enough to have a good character and a friendliness and an affection and all these qualities; it is also about parameters that a voter also evaluates."
Haseloff rejects the accusation that there will be no woman to choose from when a new party chairman is found: “We still have no offer.
We're just starting to find it. ”Haseloff says, the CDU in particular has had positive experiences with Angela Merkel at the top of the party:“ We presented the strongest woman in Europe for 20 years, including 16 years as chancellor. ”
Coronavirus debate at "Markus Lanz" - Haseloff: "It looks completely different than a year ago"
Then Markus Lanz opens up the Corona issue, with which he himself has been in the midst of a controversy since last Friday: He and philosopher Richard David Precht spoke about the pandemic in their joint podcast "Lanz & Precht", took a critical position and thus lateral thinkers Cheers triggered. A year ago, Lanz Haseloff pointedly soberly, the corona incidence in Saxony-Anhalt was 52.7 and there was a lockdown. It is currently at 139.2 - how does the situation at that time differ from today? Haseloff: “The difference lies in the vaccination rate, for example. Also with regard to the hospitalization rate and the utilization of the intensive care beds. It looks completely different than it did a year ago. "
“If someone had told me a year ago,” says Ethics Council Chair Alena Buyx, “we have the vaccination rates that we have now, I would have said: That's great, great, we're through with that, then that's over .
And Delta just broke that because Delta is so much more contagious and because it doesn't give us sterile immunity either.
That means that unfortunately it is the case that people who have been vaccinated can still pass the virus on.
It's a different situation.
And the vaccination rates that we have now are not sufficient. ”More than three million over 60-year-olds are still not vaccinated and are therefore“ exposed to exactly the same risk as a year ago ”.
Reiner Haseloff at "Markus Lanz": "If you want to take part in the things where I am, you should be vaccinated"
In view of the refusal to vaccinate a third of the population of Saxony-Anhalt, Haseloff would only like to allow vaccinated or convalescent people to attend his events in the future: “If you want to take part in the things where I am, you should be vaccinated. Unless there are medical reasons against it. We probably have to make this clear announcement. Not in the sense of state-mandated exclusion. But of moral things that they say: Please only answer if you have been vaccinated - you are endangering me. I don't see any other possibility. "
The philosopher Svenja Flaßpöhler finds the growing pressure counterproductive: “It was said from the beginning that there will be no compulsory vaccination.
You have to take that seriously, which means that first of all everyone has the right not to be vaccinated. " Italy, people are going to the barricades.
People just don't come to work anymore.
Then what is the bottom line? "
"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on November 2nd:
Reiner Haseloff
(CDU) - politician
Alena Buyx
- Ethics Council Chair
Svenja Flaßpöhler
- philosopher
Dirk Brockmann
- physicist
Robin Alexander
- journalist
Haseloff, on the other hand, believes that the subject of compulsory vaccination is not yet off the table: “The Ethics Council will certainly have to deal with the subject again in a complex manner, because there are very strong regional differences. Not only in Europe and internationally, but also in Germany. In the East we are all quite disappointed, even as colleagues we would have expected a higher vaccination rate based on experience, because it was part of daily life and also of the health of personal development that one was vaccinated and got through life well. "
"And what do we do with those who absolutely do not want to be vaccinated?" Asks the moderator Lanz.
Haseloff ponders for a moment before he says: “There have to be different approaches, I guess.
What must not happen, that has already been discussed earlier, is that everything should be learned about the schools and the children again.
They are the ones who have borne the most burdens so far.
These measures should not have been taken for them themselves, but we tried to save the elderly and vulnerable.
We did that too.
And now it's the turn of the older ones.
It will be the task of a new federal government to also think about legal steps. "
“Markus Lanz” - the conclusion of the show
The corona pandemic characterizes "Markus Lanz" on Tuesday evening.
Politician Reiner Haseloff (CDU) struggles with the low vaccination rate in his state and recommends the traffic light alliance to check whether vaccination is mandatory.
Ethics Council Chairman Alena Buyx would have "never considered the current situation to be possible because I really thought that more people could be vaccinated".
The physicist Dirk Brockmann expresses his concern about too sluggish political and individual action in a dynamic reality;
the philosopher Svenja Flaßpöhler laments the great social pressure to get vaccinated;
and the journalist Robin Alexander comments on politics and the pandemic from his point of view.
(
Hermann Racke)