Christian Deutschländer: The patience of the vaccinated is dwindling;
Comment November 4th
Thanks very much!
I wanted to say thank you very much to all lateral thinkers and unvaccinated adults.
Thank you that, because of you and your incredibly selfish behavior, my children can no longer play their sport.
Thank you that my children are forced to vaccinate with the 2G rule, because this is the only way they can play sports in a hall.
Thank you that the intensive care units are full of unvaccinated Covid patients and that you have to be afraid of getting seriously ill.
Thank you for allowing doctors and nurses to look after you.
Thank you for demanding with incredible arrogance that society should support all of this.
Thanks very much!
Maren Senger
Geretsried
The focus was on harassment, pressing one fear button after the other to motivate as many as possible to vaccinate. This strategy failed like crazy. The unteachable remain stubborn and the numbers shoot through the roof. But instead of rethinking the negative strategy, one more step is taken. If the drug doesn't help increase the dose, that's a thing. Unvaccinated people are now only consumers and otherwise annoying onlookers, while vaccinated people in 2G mode, completely untested, can whistle happily about all the rules, although it has long been known that they contribute significantly to the infection process and that not a few will become seriously ill and also die of Covid. It remains a mystery why one has to exclude those who have tested negatively as a last resort.They are sure to pose the least risk. What happens now You will no longer test yourself for whatever, so fall through the grid. It would be a miracle if 2G should change something, because the busses of those who have not been vaccinated will ensure further record incidences. Nobody dares to pour vaccinated but pure wine at the moment. Instead, they continue to work on the mental rift, which is already an enormous burden on society. But there will be a time after Corona and the irrational antics of germ phobics and fanatical opponents of vaccination will not be forgotten. This is a particularly malicious post-covid of a different kind. If then the economic crisis caused by the Corona measures comes along, in which we are probably already in the middle of it,this results in a really highly infectious and dangerous social mix, against which there will be no more vaccination.
Olaf rib
Gilching
It is time to make vaccination compulsory for Covid-19 now.
The hospitals are full of unvaccinated people and not only do doctors and nurses suffer massively, but also people who are urgently waiting for an operation.
That is no longer acceptable !!!
The common good comes before individual interests.
This is no time for selfish and unreasonable refusals to vaccinate.
If there is no voluntary solidarity for the health and protection of all citizens, then a mandatory vaccination is required.
Covid-19 is a global pandemic that can only be fought with mass vaccinations - just like smallpox at the time.
Exceptions to this can only be made for adults for medical reasons.
Heimo Kandler
Wartenberg
Christian Deutschländer has to fully agree when he points out that the occupancy of the intensive care units with unvaccinated persons is likely to lead to an increased mortality of the vaccinated. But his demand for “2G everywhere” falls short.
The exact infection process in vaccinated people can only be recognized when they take a test when they are sick and then have already infected others (hopefully no old people or previously sick people). The actual incidence for vaccinated people is believed to be far higher than the published value of 50. Even with "manageable symptoms", the disease is also not harmless because the sick leave or quarantines simply cause economic damage. As already read several times in the MM, the protection of the vaccination against infection can be stated with approx. 75%. This roughly means: If 4 passengers stand next to an infected person in an overcrowded subway after a football game, a healthy person will be infected; If an infected person comes into closer contact with 20 others in a club or at a carnival event indoors,one is in the intensive care unit. The fatal thing about exponential growth is: At first you don't notice anything (if there is only one infected person in the subway); But at some point it shoots through the roof (depending on the contacts), and defacto you can't avoid school closings.
So: 2G alone is a mistake, unless you want to let the infection run.
Unfortunately, after 2 years of pandemic, Söder and his health minister are still unwilling to recognize elementary mathematics.
That makes me angry too.
Armin Seemann
Freising
"Hundreds of people are now dying from the corona virus again every day.
Many of these deaths would be preventable.
If more people were vaccinated against the virus, fewer people would get sick and die.
Vaccination saves lives.
There are people who don't seem interested in saving lives.
They do not allow themselves to be vaccinated with reference to their free private decision.
Neither a vaccination nor a pandemic is a private matter!
A liberal society can accept that people do not get vaccinated - but a liberal society cannot accept that the community suffers as a result. A society can accept that people consume alcohol - but a society cannot accept that people then get drunk in a car and cause fatal accidents. Therefore, drinking and driving is prohibited. The alcohol ban protects the community. The community is also allowed to protect itself against vaccination refusals. Vaccination refusals claim from the community not to have to be vaccinated. The community can also claim from vaccinators not to be endangered by their anti-social behavior.The community should radically exclude vaccinators from any kind of non-existent community life. Nobody is forced to vaccinate by the community - but nobody is allowed to force their selfishness on the community.
We must not and must not accept avoidable deaths.
We must not let vaccine refusals dance around us any longer!
Maximilian Meier
Münsing
We are two post-Covid sufferers who were treated every 2 days for 3 weeks in the day clinic for physical medicine at the LMU, Großhadern Clinic. We were first put through its paces to see how far we could go along with this or that exercise. Psychology-physical therapy-medical training therapy = training on equipment-occupational therapy-active self-help-meditative relaxation-movement therapy large swimming pool-cognitive training-doctor's visit. Since we received a lot of understanding here, we advise everyone who has not been as well physically and mentally as it once was since this illness to apply for treatment here in the coming year. We were very satisfied with all therapists and doctors and hopethat the new therapy program for the treatment of this yet to be researched disease will continue. Although we are already older, we have been able to take a lot of new and valuable tips and advice from this 3-week therapy home with us. Further post-covid therapy programs will follow.
Gisela and Jürgen Stromeier
Germering
The crucial question is not who is vaccinated and who is not vaccinated. The crucial question is who has proven protection against infection. Who cannot become infected, who is more likely to be protected. The answer must be a comprehensive antibody test for the entire population. This is how you get the answer to the all-important question. Anyone who then has a corresponding number of neutralizing antibodies ((according to WHO standard) standard) then has appropriate protection, regarding Covid 19. and is considered immunized. It doesn't matter where the antibodies come from, whether these antibodies come from a vaccination, whether they come from an illness where someone was in quarantine, or an infection that the individual did not even notice.Antibodies are antibodies From a certain level / number of antibodies, the corresponding status has to be considered as immunized. Actual state; People who have an antibody test, who were not in quarantine, cannot show a PCR test because they did not notice the disease, but have 5 times the amount of antibodies, like 2 - 3 syringes, apply of the Ministry of Health of the Ministry of Health, not as a recovery. I too belong to this group with very high antibody values, and that can be detected over a very long period of time. They are required to be vaccinated, even if an overreaction / hyperfunction of antibodies can cause vaccination damage. But since the aim of vaccination is to produce antibodies,the government's reasoning is always the Incredible purpose of vaccination and yet it should be to obtain antibodies. One could get the impression that it is no longer about the health of the individual, but about meeting the vaccination quota.
Roland Marx
Poing
My mother has been getting her honey from a beekeeper in Bad Griesbach for a long time.
The over seventy year old had just been on a bad trip.
He is a dialysis patient and should have had dialysis urgently, but the hospitals were all full with corona infected people, and so the senior was more or less made to understand that he was about to die.
This began an odyssey for the man and his family to a hospital with a dialysis option.
And that brings us back to those who refused to vaccinate who decide against vaccination without any medical indication: The senior citizen from Bad Griesbach, who needs vital medical care for which there is no alternative, should have died because of the intensive care units in the hospitals Above all, are full of infected vaccinators who would have had an alternative to protect themselves from a life-threatening infection?
Yeah where did we get to?
Every person who refuses to vaccinate has to bear the consequences with his decision, which in the case of Corona means accepting his own death.
I am in favor of tough triage to the detriment of all vaccination refusers without medical indication.
Despite this sad topic, we all have a nice weekend, which here in Munich is already starting with sunshine, as I can see from the window on the first floor.
Manuela Pinggèra
Mittenwald