The “Markus Lanz” group tries to sort out the situation with the corona pandemic.
Once again, the debate about a possible vaccination requirement plays a central role.
At "Markus Lanz" on Wednesday evening, almost everything revolves around the corona pandemic. In any case, the politician Stephan Weil (SPD) is more worried about the situation than about the ongoing coalition talks: “Definitely Corona. Negotiating a coalition is never easy and it will never be easy afterwards. But what we are now experiencing again in connection with Corona is something that must really make us concerned and that is in the foreground for me. "The Lower Saxony Prime Minister would not have ended the epidemic emergency of national scope:" I would have been on my own terms No change needed at the point. But for me the most important thing is that we can do what we have to do in the countries. "
In general, this debate, Weil believes, is “an inside discussion” that hardly anyone can do anything with.
"I really don't think so, Mr. Weil," says talk show host Markus Lanz with a stern expression.
The journalist Michael Bröcker suspects that SPD representatives would have to downplay the end of the emergency because it was a concession to the FDP: “The truth is that the FDP is now part of the government in this country.
The FDP campaigned against the 'emergency laws' for months - someone even called it. ”“ Are you driven by the FDP? ”, That's why host Lanz wants to know from Weil.
“I definitely don't.
From the beginning of the pandemic, as the saying goes, I played caution in the team, ”he replies.
Corona debate at "Markus Lanz": Expiry of the emergency - no matter or a fatal signal?
Weil insists that the emergency discussion has no priority in the population: “From my practice I can say that this topic really plays the relatively minor role, even among citizens. They are very well informed and they look at the numbers every morning and they know exactly what is going on. ”“ The view that it doesn't play that big a role is relatively exclusive to you here tonight, ”says Lanz and brings in the climate researcher Mojib Latif.
“You know,” explains Latif, “someone who, like me, has been anchored in climate communication for over 30 years, simply knows what to say and what not to say.
And that, dear Mr Weil, I really have to say, that is a no-go.
Because you really give the impression that the pandemic is over.
I've heard this from so many people.
You say the citizens understand what you mean.
No, they don't understand what you mean, they understand: Pandemic - that's it, everything is fine.
And that is also one of the reasons why now, I now claim, the incidences are rising so much. "
Corona policy headless?
Virologist Melanie Brinkmann wants "Markus Lanz" to have stronger political leadership
The virologist Melanie Brinkmann, on the other hand, misses an authority that the population trusts: "I think there is simply a lack of a voice that says: 'The pandemic is not over yet.'
It's missing a bit at the moment, we don't have it.
In fact, I think that's the wrong signal.
Nevertheless, I am with Mr Weil, who says: The federal states have to look now - what is the pandemic situation like in our country and how can we deal with figures and measures, how can we control it?
There I am with him.
But I am missing communication right now.
That someone steps forward and says: So, dear people, now we'll take care of it. "
"Markus Lanz" - these were his guests on November 10th:
Stephan Weil
(SPD) - politician
Prof. Melanie Brinkmann
- virologist
Prof. Mojib Latif
- climate researcher
Michael Bröcker
- journalist
When the group was explained by Brinkmann statistics graphs, the moderator Lanz stated in the case of the over 60-year-olds: “I feel cold down my back. If you look at the absolutely vaccinated: 91 percent, that is quite a lot, that is significant. And then I look at the deceased at the bottom: The ratio 43 to 57. ”That means: 43 percent of the deceased people over 60 were vaccinated twice. “I want to say something unpopular,” interjects Bröcker, “for me this is an argument against compulsory vaccination. Because we apparently know too little about vaccination. We have recommendations from STIKO that are sometimes like this, then three weeks later again. We don't know exactly from which month the vaccination protection is apparently so low that we have to boost again. "
How effective are vaccinations?
Weil and Brinkmann try to take away fears with “Markus Lanz”
Brinkmann points out that the STIKO recommendations depend on which Corona variant is involved.
Because of its higher infectivity, the delta variant is “yet another number”, against which only a vaccination rate as high as possible can help: “How I achieve this is a political decision.
But one thing is clear: We will not make good progress, we will put a tremendous strain on the health system if we don't really bring speed into it. ”Even during the broadcast, there was a discussion on Twitter about whether Brinkmann saw the graphic beforehand because it missed it the chance to classify the statistics.
At #Lanz, the topic of probabilities is not so well understood either.
The graphic is also misleading.
Out of 100 people, 9 are unvaccinated.
If nine of the 100 have to go to intensive care, six of them are without a vaccination.
But there are only three out of 91 vaccinated!
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- Henning Tillmann (@henningtillmann) November 10, 2021
Talkmaster Lanz therefore insists that there is a high rate of 91 percent in the analyzed graphic and therefore asks Weil whether “we may have misjudged this”.
Weil thinks: “If we compare our situation now, especially with older people, compared to a year ago: Then, despite a much more dangerous virus, Ms. Brinkmann said yes, we have significantly, significantly lower numbers for the severe courses .
That shows how important it is to vaccinate, especially in this group. "
Merkel wants MPK fast, SPD politician Weil expresses little hope at “Markus Lanz”
On the other hand, Weil does not expect much from further Prime Ministerial Conferences (MPK): “If there is an MPK, I'll be there. But that something really comes out of it, where the Bröcker then says: But that was a milestone! Sorry, I don't see that at the moment. ”Lanz lists open questions about further measures and believes that a broad social debate about compulsory vaccination is appropriate, but that politics circumvents it. Because: "Right now we have the 2G movement across the board, everywhere in Germany."
The SPD politician continues to position himself cautiously when it comes to compulsory vaccinations: “You can turn it around as you want. But a vaccination ordered by the state, compulsory, is a serious encroachment on the fundamental right to physical integrity. You may or may not agree with that, but it's constitutional. This means that we must have tested every mildest remedy beforehand and find out that it is not suitable. Which means in good German: We first introduced daily tests in nursing because we are dealing with particularly vulnerable groups. And we will now get completely different pressure from the 3G regulation at the workplace. ”Virologist Brinkmann questions the argument put forward by Weil:“ It's always about proportionality.And I think the proportionality is there. "
“Markus Lanz” - the conclusion of the show
The "Markus Lanz" group will look at the Corona situation in Germany on Wednesday evening.
The politician Stephan Weil (SPD) does not believe that the population will have the impression that the pandemic is over by letting the epidemic emergency of national scope run out.
The virologist Melanie Brinkmann, the climate researcher Mojib Latif and the journalist Michael Bröcker punished the Prime Minister of Lower Saxony for this assessment.
Even during the further debate, the group rarely comes to an agreement with the politician.
At the end of the program, Markus Lanz and Latif discuss the world climate summit in Glasgow and his assessment of the climate crisis.
Latif: “The climate is perhaps not so much in the foreground, but the short economic success.
And we have to try to change that. "(
Hermann Racke)