At Maybrit Illner's Corona Talk on ZDF, the tatters fly: Michael Kretschmer and Wolfgang Kubicki are loud - the latter also has to contend with questions from an expert.
Berlin - everything new is the traffic light? When it comes to Corona, it looks like this. At the ZDF talk “Maybrit Illner”, FDP Vice-President Wolfgang Kubicki explains where the journey should go: Measures are a matter for the federal states, there should no longer be a uniform, comprehensive regulation. 2G and 3G should remain the priority models. There are also free citizen tests again. What there shouldn't be: the introduction of a general compulsory vaccination against the corona virus, just as little as nationwide simultaneous contact restrictions and lockdowns - as they could now possibly come in the Netherlands.
But the pandemic policy under "liberal" features met with considerable criticism in the group.
The 35-year-old junior professor Anika Klafki criticizes errors in the new regulation: "It shortens the catalog of measures considerably" and that is currently the completely "wrong direction" with infection numbers above 50,000.
The biochemistry professor and entrepreneur Helga Rübsamen-Schaeff is also irritated by the corona policy of the designated three-party government and comments laconically: "You rub your eyes!".
"Maybrit Illner" - these guests discussed with:
Michael Kretschmer (CDU) -
Prime Minister Saxony (connected)
Wolfgang Kubicki
- deputy FDP chairman
Annemarie Fajardo -
Vice President of the German Nursing Council
Junior prof.
Dr.
Anika Klafki -
Junior Professor for Public Law at the University of Jena
Prof. Dr.
Helga Rübsamen-Schaeff -
founder and member of the supervisory board of the biopharma company AiCuris (switched on)
Ulrich Reitz -
Chief Correspondent
Focus-Online
Saxony's Prime Minister Michael Kretschmer finds more drastic words: "The fourth wave", Kretschmer predicts, will "overshadow" everything that has gone before. The head of government predicts “a dramatic rise in the number of infections. Numbers like we have never seen before! ”The decision to announce the end of the pandemic situation was“ negligent ”, said Kretschmer, who - despite the fact that the initiative originally came from Health Minister and CDU colleague Jens Spahn - assigns the exclamation to the traffic light: "The hospitals are already at their limit!"
Klafki thinks it is wrong to leave the sovereignty to the countries and asks critical questions in the direction of Kubicki: "Can 2G also be introduced for supermarkets, doctors' offices and pharmacies?" Because that would mean that unvaccinated people can no longer look after themselves.
The lawyer wants to know what applies to children who cannot be vaccinated at the moment.
And: “What applies to private celebrations?
What should apply to Christmas? ”Are the celebrations considered an event if, for example, church services are being celebrated?
Leaving such fundamental questions to the countries could mean a constitutionally problematic patchwork quilt, warns Klafki.
FDP Vice Kubicki and CDU Prime Minister Kretschmer clash at Illner
Kubicki feels visibly attacked and rumbles off: "If there had been more vaccinations in Bavaria and Saxony, we wouldn't have the problem at all," the FDP man complains of the two countries governed by the CDU and CSU. And gets snappy: "That we should introduce 2G in Schleswig-Holstein, in the belief that the incidences will then decrease in Saxony, is intellectually really pathetic!"
"Arrogance comes before the fall!", Kretschmer shouts angrily from his monitor into the studio and attests that the northernmost state will soon see a threatening turnaround: "This is about a virus and you can't fight it with political games!" Kretschmer.
Kubicki gets angry: "Fundamental failure of the CDU / CSU parliamentary group," he attests.
This was especially evident after the failed Easter rest period - at that time, he “broke his hat string”.
Kretschmer fires back: “These accusations do not help at all!
You are unsettling the population! "
Kretschmer does not rule out a "Bergamo situation"
At the request of Illner, Kretschmer no longer rules out a lockdown. “What do you do when the hospitals can no longer?” Asks the MP and adds dramatically: “We can't see things like in Bergamo!” Kubicki can't help but smugly remark: “Lockdown can he do it in Saxony with the new law ... "Kretschmer is again dramatic:" This fourth wave is harder, is heavier, is more dangerous than what we have experienced. Stay at home! Avoid contacts! "
Kubicki wants to address the emergency in the health care system: “We have 5,000 fewer intensive care beds than last year.” The Vice President of the German Nursing Council, Annemarie Fajardo, then speaks plainly: “We have been in a nursing emergency for 50 years.
Now, on top of the state of emergency, there is a pandemic on top of it. ”The result, according to Fajardo: The system is already in“ collapse ”.
Effective drugs against corona are approved
Rübsamen-Schaeff reports at least one good news: There are now two pills against Corona.
One of them, molnupiravir, has already been approved in the UK: “They bought 250,000 packs.
That could also happen here. ”The drugs could reduce the number of deaths by up to 90 percent, explains the virologist.
Journalist Reitz cannot help but comment on the delayed procurement of vaccines: "I can only hope that Brussels will not be commissioned to procure this medicine again ..."
Conclusion of the “Maybrit Illner” talk
The discussions on the show made one thing clear: The traffic light wants to focus and approach differently when it comes to pandemics than the outgoing federal government under Angela Merkel.
Which strategy will be the one with the least damage will probably only have to be answered in retrospect.
But it seems certain: people will continue to die from corona infections.
(
Verena Schulemann)
