Andreas Beez: "FFP2 masks produce more infections", interview with Klaus Stöhr;
In focus,
Katrin Woitsch: Appeal of the helpers;
Bavaria 13./14.
November,
triage in the first clinics;
Front page November 12th
A medical spokesman was told about triage in the first clinics in southern Bavaria: In some isolated cases, elderly patients will no longer be transferred to clinics.
There will also be cases where we let patients die at home.
Is it still okay?
In the beginning, the elderly were correctly vaccinated, people were very concerned about them and they should therefore be the first to receive the special protection of the vaccination.
Do you have to die at home now?
That is most indecent!
And many unvaccinated younger people are in intensive care units, cannot be taught and sometimes also abuse their doctors and nurses.
Throw the rabid anti-vaccination opponents out of the clinics!
Why should the general public still pay for these people and take care of our parents / grandparents.
Ursula Hartmann
Munich
I had a dream: Everyone is vaccinated, not because they can finally go to their favorite pub, but out of consideration and concern to love the weaker and the elderly. The whole family meets again, sits comfortably together, nobody poisons the other, everyone can say what they want, the virus is over and you talk about other things again, you can laugh together again and hug each other. You can go to the family doctor again with a cough and runny nose, without panicking from the other patients. Politics can finally take care of other important things again, the lateral thinkers are desperately looking for another topic to annoy the normal population. The egoism, the ruthlessness, the hatred, all these bad qualities that have increased extremely, are changing. One perceives others again,Helpfulness, consideration and love come back. But unfortunately, it's all just a dream, reality is as bad as it was before the dream.
Christine Brummer
Dachau
Each of us contributes to herd immunity.
We vaccinated through our vaccination, the unvaccinated through their disease.
Everyone is free to decide which way they want to go.
It is undisputed, however, that the path through the disease is much more tedious and dangerous.
The real scandal, however, is that our for-profit healthcare system is unable to provide a sufficient number of intensive care beds with acceptable working conditions and with adequate medical staff.
It is thanks to the inability of our politicians and the contradictions in the statements of our "experts" that my basic right to free choice is to choose between the devil and Beelzebub.
Klauspeter Wacker
Bad Tölz
It is logical that “2G” is fueling the pandemic: If you want to slow it down, you would also have to have vaccinated people tested, at least for disco & Co. A recent study has once again proven that the spread is hardly slowed down by vaccination (October 29th in "the Lancet"). Vaccinated people are given priority, even though the vaccination is only effective in protecting one person personally. With “3G” the spread could still be detected in unvaccinated people, for example if they lived together with vaccinated people and did a quick test. With 2G that is no longer necessary either, the number of unreported cases is enormous! One still confuses the good self-protection of the vaccination with the hardly existing effect against the spread! The widespread silence about the facts preserves the status quo: that unvaccinated people can be accused and that suboptimal measures are decided!A fresh rapid test is more reliable than an old PCR test. PCR is more sensitive, but usually only available the following day. Meanwhile, hidden infections can spread, which negates the additional security. It is better to shorten the deadline for the rapid test from 24 hours to 9 hours! Did you want to corner the unvaccinated with the expensive tests? (Of course with the opposite psychological effect)? Or do you want to watch how unreported numbers and pandemics explode badly and further mutations arise? Is it intentional that hospitals overflow - then of course mostly by unvaccinated people - and justify compulsory vaccination? What is needed now is: reintroduction of free tests, self-tests for everyone at home, and remedying the widespread D3 vitamin deficiency.
Stefan Reich
Murnau
The interview with Klaus Stöhr shows once again that the Corona crisis relentlessly shows the weaknesses of our society.
It also reveals to us that politics has basically had no real answers to the questions and problems of the time for decades, neither the Helmut Schmidt government, nor Helmut Kohl, Gerhard Schröder and Angela Merkel.
And the long-awaited traffic light coalition has no solutions either.
This is due to the fact that all parties, but especially the SPD, the FDP and also the Greens, are ideologically anchored in programs of the late 19th century.
Dr.
Georg Glonner
Munich
Strategy against the pandemic!
1. Protect the uninfected from the infected (test all, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated).
2. Infected people have to be in isolation and free testing is possible after 5 days (only after negative testing is it possible to go public again).
At the moment, the vaccinated are separated from the unvaccinated.
This is utter nonsense, because as we now know, people who have been vaccinated can also be infectious.
The vaccination against corona protects against severe courses, but cannot produce sterile immunization.
This means 1G applies to events and joint meetings.
In other words: test vaccinated, recovered and unvaccinated people.
Those who tested negative are allowed in, those who tested positive have to go home.
Conclusion: Effective pandemic control means: infected people must be kept away from non-infected people!
Siegmar Unger
Hollstadt
So now it is so far that the intensive care beds are occupied and people with heart attacks, strokes or urgent cancer operations are no longer given an intensive care bed because 90% of these are occupied by vaccination refusals.
What kind of conditions are there in Germany that can be celebrated for its health system.
Explain that to the bereaved!
The messing around, especially Jens Spahn, is no longer bearable.
Why is there no compulsory vaccination?
Of course, everyone can still decide for themselves at the moment whether they want to be vaccinated or not.
I feel sorry for those who cannot be treated with illnesses because there is no longer an intensive care bed available, I have no sympathy for the others who oppose common sense.
Hans Winkler
Schwaig
German aid organizations appeal urgently. Calls for Covid vaccination and appeals to the undecided as a necessary act to maintain the health system were repeated over the course of weeks. In addition, I would like to point out that the freedom of the individual ends where it restricts that of the other citizens.
The Spaniards have understood the appeals and are a role model with a vaccination rate of 80 percent and incidences of around 40.
Italian politicians have also done their homework better and, as one hears time and again, can offer the best healthcare system in the world intensive beds to avoid triages.
Something is going wrong with us.
Perhaps health politicians in this country shut themselves off to the repeated appeals from Munich Merkur readers: Finally make effective vaccination advertising, lead the “7.
Sinn ”and stop chasing a long needle into the upper arm of defenseless people on the main news every day!
That scares off.
Hans-Peter Grünebach
Polling
How do we come to the now prevailing opinion that we are automatically entitled to everything that is feasible?
I am now nearly seventy years old.
Looking back, I remember growing up in a small village in the Dachau hinterland, imperceptibly over the decades there were more and more offers to go out, event information all year round, also an increase in mass tourism.
The explanation that unvaccinated people are to blame for the current high incidences, if you want to believe the numbers, they are higher than when there was no vaccination.
So where do the same numbers of infections come from?
Maybe we should get a lesson that we can't just go on like this.
There are (I think at least) no reliable empirical values for how long the vaccination protection propagated to us lasts at all.
In the worst case, do we have to refresh every six months?
Does resistance to the vaccines also play a role in relation to the pathogen?
What then?
Just because it is now allowed with 3 or 2 G regulations, you don't necessarily have to be there everywhere.
The risk of infection in everyday life is enough anyway, despite the vaccination.
In contrast to dangerous epidemics in the animal kingdom such as ASF, humans have the knowledge to consider the consequences.
Annemarie Reif
Market Indersdorf
The tone of voice becomes shrill and the information becomes more and more dramatic. Too few vaccinations, intensive care units overcrowded with Covid patients, etc. You should return to more objectivity and sobriety. About 70% to 80% of "normal" patients are in the intensive care units, the rest are patients who suffer from Covid and require a longer stay. Who are these Covid patients now? If reliable data were finally published here, according to age, risk group, etc., the people affected would also trust the vaccination more. Certainly there are some unvaccinated youngsters among them. However, the majority have significant previous illnesses, it is an open question whether with Covid infection as an initial illness or as a vaccination breakthrough.Who among our politicians has addressed the issue of “lack of staff for intensive care”? Today there are approx. 2,600 fewer intensive care beds than at the beginning of the year, and there is a lack of staff! Politicians have deliberately excluded the issue, because the population will fix it with the vaccinations if there is appropriate pressure. The intensive care beds that are missing today are not the panacea, but would relax the situation in the intensive care units considerably if they had the appropriate staff! The same pressure that is being exerted on the population for vaccination should be exerted by politicians on pharmaceutical manufacturers in order to promote drug treatment. There can be no shortage of money. In the beginning our children did not pose any danger. Now they are tested 3 times a week,sit in school with face masks and still have enormous restrictions in public life. The vaccination pressure on children and parents is increasing sharply. The psychological damage and the consequences that arise from it cannot yet be foreseen. My impression is that the vaccination pressure should only be used for the children to improve the vaccination statistics.
The behavior of the politicians is scandalous, they do not do their homework and try to hold the population liable for it.
We should be prepared for the fact that a third vaccination is not enough, we will have to get a booster every year.
To take the wind out of the sails of all the critics, I have been vaccinated twice and already have the appointment for my third vaccination.
Peter Pagnin
Munich
Deceptive security - why the numbers are really increasing: With 2G we steer with seeing eyes into an irreversible overload of the healthcare system.
The following are the reasons:
1) For a few days, Mr. Söder has been demanding that the validity of the vaccination pass be reduced from 12 to 9 months and a third vaccination from the 5th month after the second vaccination, an indication of a reduced vaccination effect, as it was from renowned virologists and scientists, including Mrs. Helga Rübsamen-Schaeff (on November 11th, 2021 at Maybritt Illner).
2) In the contract between BionTech and our government, a vaccination effect of only four months is guaranteed, that is, people who have been vaccinated twice between January 2021 and April 2021 currently no longer have vaccination protection, which affects around 30 million people who have been vaccinated .
3) Mr Drosten says on Twitter that the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is the same in the first few days with an infection - and infection only takes place in these first days - so the unvaccinated people should not be considered the "bad guys" (ie : Unsolidary) stand up.
4) Mr. Wieler from the RKI says that around half of those infected did not even notice that they were infected, ie the total number of all infected is de facto around 9.5 million, i.e. 4.75 million can also spread the virus have or spread.
We do not know whether this group is vaccinated or not.
5) The best vaccine (BionTech) has an effectiveness of 90%, which means that to date 6 million out of 60 million people who have been vaccinated have no protection from the start.
6) If 4 out of 5 adults are vaccinated, as Mr. Spahn says, then the current incidences cannot come from the unvaccinated alone, especially since unvaccinated people have more restrictions on participating in cultural events or visits to restaurants (3G), while the 2G group does their proof (vaccination certificate or doctor's certificate for "recovered") has unrestricted access. Since almost 4.9 million of the 5 million infected people have now completely recovered (according to the RKI), this group must also be added to the risk potential. 7) If you add up the numbers mentioned above, then there are over 45 million vaccinated and convalescent people (i.e. 2G) who have no vaccination protection (any longer) and thus contribute significantly more to the spread of the virus than the unvaccinated (currently approx. 15 million,Children and adolescents excluded).
Conclusion: The solution to the above problem can therefore only be found in the immediate procurement of drugs that have already been approved by the EMA and, in addition to vaccination, in testing, testing, and testing!
Dr.
Norbert Kutschera
Murnau
Both interviews address a central topic for me: everyone's personal responsibility. Mr. Stöhr laments the failure of politics, which “did not prepare the country well” for the beginning corona winter. I don't see it that way. Since the beginning of August, 100 vaccination doctors have been sitting bored in the vaccination centers in Bavaria alone, waiting for “customers”. Nobody came. Anyone with a bit of understanding and foresight could have been vaccinated there free of charge, immediately, with sufficient advice and enough vaccine in stock, in good time before winter. Hundreds of thousands are now in queues, the vaccine is running out, the intensive care beds are even scarcer and the comparison suggests that people panic trying to take out fire insurance while the roof is already on fire. That wasn't political failurebut simply a mixture of laziness, disinterest and fatal hope for better times for millions of citizens. Ms. Graumann addresses ethical aspects in the discussion about mandatory vaccinations: Yes, everyone has the freedom to practice high-risk sports. But please with completed accident and life insurance and not with the assumption that the solidarity community will then pay through health insurance contributions if it turned out stupid. Yes, everyone has the freedom not to be vaccinated. But then please also bear the obligations or consequences. Why shouldn't unvaccinated people pay 50% of the costs when they end up in the intensive care unit. Carrying consistency for your (non-) action. Corona has been raging for 2 years. Nobody can claim that they did not know that there are severe to fatal courses.Vaccinations have been available free of charge since January 2020. So yes, anyone who has not yet been vaccinated (I expressly take out those who have medical reasons for not being able to be vaccinated) has made a “statement”: I don't care! until I don't want to! - be it the much-cited “stubbornness” or because there are “too many nanochips” in the vaccine. Translated with regard to personal responsibility: I simply don't care about my health or stay away from my body. So if we get into the predicament of full intensive care units and doctors have to decide between unvaccinated and vaccinated patients, then they should and must follow this "statement" given and give preference to vaccinated people. For me, it was a logical consequence of this decision, which I made on my own responsibility and freedom.I also suspect that the fully comprehensive mentality paired with not having to carry one's own responsibility is part of the comfortable safety hammock network of a humane social ethic. We do not want any vaccinations, but we do claim that 25,000 people can easily be put on intensive care and be rescued by an army of nursing staff! Adult 50-year-olds cannot properly pull their FFP2 mask over their nose for 15 minutes in the supermarket due to the alleged risk of breathlessness, but 9-year-old students should do it in the classroom from 8 a.m. to 1 p.m. How should “human rights entitlement to health care” work when 10 million citizens refuse to make their contribution. My suggestion: tough pulling through the financial consequences. At latest,If there are daily reports in the press that hospital bills amounting to 35,000 EUR were sent for 3 weeks of intensive care, 9.99 million of the above-mentioned will come to light. The graphic on page 3 says: Unvaccinated people have at least three times the risk of getting seriously ill: in monetary terms, double the health insurance contribution - at least! If you don't want to take responsibility, you at least bear the costs! It has long been common practice among 19-year-old novice drivers in car insurance.If you don't want to take responsibility, you at least bear the costs! It has long been common practice among 19-year-old novice drivers in car insurance.If you don't want to take responsibility, you at least bear the costs! It has long been common practice among 19-year-old novice drivers in car insurance.
Franz Goetz
Forestry
