Zimri: "At the end of Bibist, it's a nice way of saying things that are not said on TV - animalistic, incendiary, extremist, Oriental, fascist.
The hand of Yotam Zimri and Noam Fathi in everything: from the satire program "So far!" In "Here 11" to the columns in "Makor Rishon" - this at the same time as they are network stars with hundreds of thousands of followers. They will soon also appear on Channel 14 (formerly 20) as regular panelists on the "Patriots" program. The duo was hosted on the "Ticket" podcast of the Israel Press Institute.
A small part of the conversation is presented here in writing. Listen to the full conversation.
We'll start airing the new Channel 20 on Channel 14. I glanced at the "Channel People" ad, most of which have a title - "Submitter for Business, Reporter for Business" - and you are without. Is being a babysitter enough?
Zimri: "It makes me laugh that a babysitter is like an insult, and that I am now called a babysitter. For a decade I was one of Naftali Bennett's big supporters, and not just a supporter but a friend.
Fathi: "I'm a babysitter, you can say that. It always amazes me that it's become like being considered a fan, without an opinion, etc. Then you sit with people who call you a babysitter and you see how after 2-3 sentences you know more than them and you have "More support. I always look at Angela Merkel with the support she has in Germany, does anyone say he is a Marcalist as a derogatory nickname? I support a prime minister who has 35 seats according to the latest poll, by a huge margin from the others I have to feel I am wrong as a babysitter?"
Zimri: "At the end of Bibist it's a nice way to say things that are not said on TV - beastly, incendiary, extremist, oriental, fascist. Things that are unpleasant because not politically correct. "He's big in a political country, and it's funny that he's the one who became insulted. Bibi is the only politician in the country who you are required to explain why you support him. Stop for a moment. How?"
"I do not like Noam, who has always supported Netanyahu."
Channel 14 staff (Photo: PR)
The people of Israel want peace
Fathi: "More options is terribly easy. There was a distorted and corrupt world of media people who took the media for themselves, and opened the door and closed it to whoever they wanted. Luckily for us, social networks came."
There is a reason for this. If you are right-wingers then a right-wing government could have been formed without it. The second reason is that he is nevertheless criminally charged with serious counts. There is something to explain.
Zimri: "The perception of the people of Israel as very right-wing is incorrect. In the end, the people of Israel are a conservative people, who want their peace and good life. And Netanyahu provided that. A leader from the center-left can come and provide it. Like it happened to Arik Sharon.
" To think that being a babysitter is a ticket to the world of media is one of the best jokes I've ever heard. When you judge the studios, can you tell me that there is someone there who belongs to the largest political camp in the country and that you can define him as a babysitter? "
No one says that, but they do say that if you are a journalist who becomes a babysitter And move forward, probably more than before.Bibism has become a currency worth money.
Fathi: "More options is terribly easy. There was a distorted and corrupt world of media people who took the media for themselves, and opened the door and closed it to whoever they wanted. Luckily for us, social networks came. their".
And maybe the story is who is a journalist and who is not, and not what you are voting for.
Zimri: "The world has changed. This is a very old-fashioned statement. You want journalists whose only interest is the story and the five memes. We are in a competitive market and what is interesting today is opinions and interpretations. True, there are investigative journalists, but the investigation also comes from the journalist's inner world. He is in a certain political position and he will look for the stories that will suit her. "
Fathi: "There is always the demand made of people like us who sit in studios on the standard of opinion representatives. But if we sit on all the media people who have never brought a story, decades, who sit and direct the major editions and earn sums we will never make in the media - but they are legitimate and we are not ".
"Look at the treatment he receives today in the media."
Prime Minister Bennett (Photo: Government Press Office, Amos Ben Gershom)
"There are many stories that could have hurt the left and were not published"
Zimri: "It's funny that suddenly when Netanyahu is on trial, the media discovers the sausage factory called the Israeli media. Suddenly, they discovered the relationship between politicians and journalists. As if it has not existed for years everywhere."
But most of the serious cases against leftists have been exposed by the same left-wing media.
Fathi: "It's just reckoning, so I'll bring you Kalman Liebskind who sandaled Galant. Leave, I'll make it easy for you, you're right. There are journalists who are more loyal to the profession and there are fewer. But in the end elections come, everyone has an agenda and there is "The mindset that everyone wants to convey. It is a very complex world. I and Yotam happen to be a kind of media archives. There are so many stories that could have hurt the left and were not published."
Zimri: "It's funny that suddenly when Netanyahu is on trial the media discovers the sausage factory called the Israeli media. Suddenly they discovered the relationship between politicians and journalists. As if it has not existed for years everywhere. I remember what Bennett did in the media. "Do the religion and put a brainwashing religion in our children's minds, and look what happened to him, look at the treatment he receives today. Sharon too - why did they suddenly start challenging him."
Fathi: "Look at the senior journalist Ben Caspit who suddenly discovered an amazing man, who even if he has no base, everything is good and everything is positive. "Bibists say, but it's just embarrassing. And we're not our profession to be journalists. I'm not overthrown. I support a prime minister who leads a national camp and an agenda. But senior journalists who are overthrown in a second is funny and embarrassing."
There is a difference that being charged with a crime and having the power to harm institutions does that.
Olmert was very careful and did not attack the police and the prosecutor's office.
Fathi: "Netanyahu is fighting the court, but do journalists who persecute Netanyahu really give the honor to someone who has been enlightened and is still innocent?".
"Most of the principles are shared."
MK Amsalem (Photo: Maariv, Mark Israel Salem)
"What do Amsalem have in common?" Shocked by the question "
Fathi: "My father was called David Amsalem. He grew up in Iraq, and sat in parliaments and cracked nuclei and talked with his hands. As for conservatives - when I look at observant people I see them as people who are often above me."
What do you and MK Dudi Amsalem have in common?
Zimri: "I do not understand this question. I'm a little shocked by her. "
You live in Tel Aviv, with a liberal lifestyle, you worked in advertising agencies and in the media. Not really the classic Israeli second fighters.
Singers:" I do not understand what is so different between us. You brand us as if I am a mammal and it is invertebrate. It's like asking what we and David Levy have in common. If you wanted to ask me about Liberal, you would ask what we have with Litzman. Maybe you subconsciously went to him as if he did not represent our culture. What is the difference between us? Who am I? Am I different from Amsalem? I grew up in Afula, I am a man from the periphery. I live in the center because otherwise I would not have a job in our field. The very question shows me how much more work we have to do. "Amsalem and I share most of the principles of what this country should look like."
Fathi: "My father was called David Amsalem. He grew up in Iraq, and sat in parliaments and cracked nuclei and talked with his hands. As for conservatives - when I look at observant people I see them as people who are often above me. Dudi Amsalem wants to correct injustices, to connect the periphery with the center, he wants a man named Amsalem to send a resume to an Ashkenazi law firm in Tel Aviv to look at them the same way. Sometimes he crosses the border and goes down low, that's right. I'm sure "There are many who say they do not like the style and will not vote for it. He pays the price for it - but it's just us. I have a lot of liberal views that connect to what the left is saying. A strange animal."
Why is there no significant opposition to the bibi right in the right-wing media as there is in the left-wing media against the left-wing mainstream. These are journalists who are supposed to be critical.
Singer: "Say, do you know what they say about Makor Rishon? The article 'Wild Crops' by Kalman Liebskind, do you know how many people slaughter Hagai Segal and Amit Segal?"
Fathi: "Entire newspapers and religious sector websites accuse them of going with Bennett and not loyal to the camp? It exists very much. But there is no doubt that the right-wing media is going through filters of whether you are harming the camp. This media has not existed for decades, on the day".
Zimri: "I read your column on why ratings go down to editions, but your criticism was that too much was given to the biblical media. You said the media was cringing. Do you understand the difference? You criticized us again."
"Know where he came from."
Drucker (Photo: Screenshot, Screenshot)
Reasonable openings, emotional singers
In the end, you broadcast from News 10 and Channel 14 - is it a victory?
Fathi: "I am a person who in almost everything they invite him to speak - I will appear and voice my opinion. We grew from below."
Singer: "We're still an underdog, there are 12 and 13, but I admit there's some of that pleasure."
Fathi: Can I ask a question and interrupt? Who is more eloquent and domineering between the two of us?
I think you opened up more reasoned and more emotional singers. But if you've already asked, are you jealous?
Fathi: "There is no gram of jealousy between us, the goal is common. I do envy other things, but unrelated to the occupation. We can argue about opinions, speaking time, etc. But it is natural."
Which journalist do you value on the left?
Singer: "I like Levinson's harassment (Haaretz journalist Haim Levinson D.W.). He brings out - even on us - and I have no problem with him" (Levinson responded: "I was very hurt by the things, hope my singer will come back in it ").
Fathi: "I can also find good things in people I crush on Twitter. Suppose Raviv Drucker, that I know where he comes from, and that he knows how to use his power and distort, but I appreciate him. By and large most of these journalists are people who have corrupted the profession."