Clinton and Trump flew in Epstein's private plane, ex-pilot says

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Jeffrey Epstein's ex-pilot testified Tuesday at Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial that several powerful men, including former Presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump, flew aboard Epstein's private jet.

The pilot, Larry Visoski, said he was typically notified if Clinton or high-profile passengers like him would fly.

He recalled that renowned violinist Itzhak Perlman flew to Michigan with Epstein for summer camp at the Interlochen Center for the Arts.

He said he remembered Prince Andrew, Maine Senator George Mitchell, Ohio Senator John Glenn and actor Kevin Spacey on flights.

He also said he flew with Epstein to Columbus, Ohio, where he also owned property, to see billionaire businessman Les Wexner.

Epstein referred to Wexner as his client, but Visoski said he believed they were friends, too.

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None of the high-profile passengers named in Visoski's testimony on Tuesday allegedly committed any crime in connection with the ongoing trial.

Clinton's spokesman previously admitted that Clinton was aboard Epstein's plane four times, but said the former president knew nothing about Epstein's "terrible crimes."

"In 2002 and 2003, President Clinton made a total of four trips on Jeffrey Epstein's plane: one to Europe, one to Asia and two to Africa, which included stopovers related to the work of the Clinton Foundation," the spokesperson said. of Clinton, Angel Urena, in 2019.

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Visoski's testimony came on the second day of Maxwell's federal trial on conspiracy and sex trafficking charges.

The trial is likely to provide a glimpse into Epstein's enigmatic life and illuminate some of his connections to high-profile figures like Clinton, Trump, Bill Gates and Prince Andrew.

Epstein was found dead in his prison cell shortly after his arrest on sex trafficking charges in 2019. The medical examiner later determined that the cause of death was suicide by hanging.

Maxwell,

Epstein's British

and close confidante, was arrested a year later and pleaded not guilty to six counts, including conspiracy and sex trafficking.

In opening statements Monday, prosecutors said Maxwell and Epstein created a "pyramid scheme of abuse" to lure underage girls into having sex with Epstein.

Meanwhile, her defense said she was a "scapegoat" for Epstein's actions and attacked the memories and motivations of women who say they have been sexually abused.

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Pilot testifies that he never saw any sexual activity

Visoski, the prosecution's first witness, testified Monday and Tuesday about his experiences as an Epstein pilot beginning in 1991.

He stated that Maxwell traveled frequently on Epstein's private jet between 1994 and 2004 and that he often facilitated travel plans with Visoski for Epstein.

Maxwell was Epstein's "number two" and his "go-to person to handle everything else that wasn't business-related," the pilot testified.

He described his memory of the couple's relationship as more personal than professional, but more "couple" than really romantic.

He didn't recall seeing them kiss or hold hands, he said.

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Registering the names of all passengers on Epstein's private flights was not a priority, but they did their best to be accurate, Visoski said.

For international flights, he had to report an accurate passenger record, he said.

If you didn't know a passenger's name, you'd write it down by gender, he said.

The victim named "minor-1," identified in court under the pseudonym "Jane," testified after Visoski that she met Maxwell and Epstein when she was 14 years old, and described in great detail the incidents of sexual abuse by Epstein in which Maxwell sometimes participated, both in Palm Beach, Florida, and in Manhattan, when he was 14, 15 and 16 years old.

On Tuesday, Visoski testified about her memories of victim-1, who said, as prosecutors have alleged, that she met Epstein and Maxwell at the prestigious arts camp where Epstein was a benefactor for years.

Visoski testified that Epstein introduced him to "Jane" on his plane before it took off from Palm Beach sometime in the 1990s.

Visoski said he remembered that she looked like a "mature woman" at the time with "piercing pale blue eyes."

However, on cross-examination he stated that he could not be sure that she actually flew on the flight or who else was there, and Maxwell's defense questioned whether "Jane" ever flew on Epstein's planes.

"I can't visualize her sitting in the passenger compartment as I would say (of) President Clinton, it was so long ago," he said.

His real name was noted on three of the flight logs, but Visoski acknowledged in cross-examination that Epstein had an assistant with the same name and without a registered last name, he couldn't be sure who she was.

When asked in cross-examination, Visoski said he did not know the ages of the passengers he was flying with, but he never thought there were underage girls on board, as far as he could identify.

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"I never saw any sexual activity, no," Visoski testified.

When asked if he had seen sexual acts with underage girls, he said: "Of course not."

Visoski testified that he never saw sex toys, used condoms, or scattered clothing on Epstein's planes, nor any indication of sexual activity on the planes.

The cabin door would close during the flight, but Epstein would sometimes introduce Visoski to his guests before takeoff, he testified.

Epstein also invited pilots to freely pass through the cabins to use the bathroom or drink coffee during flights, Visoski said.

He also said that no one instructed him on how he should interact with passengers or other staff members.

He said he kept passenger lists and logs for every flight he flew and that he used to leave them at Epstein's office from time to time without keeping copies for him.

He gave the records to an assistant, but usually not to Maxwell.

"Ms. Maxwell had nothing to do with the passenger lists," he said.

Additionally, Visoski testified that Epstein paid for his two daughters' education through college and gifted him with land on the New Mexico ranch where Visoski built a home.

The pilot noted that Epstein's practice was to pay for schooling for all of his employees' children because he valued higher education.

He also acknowledged having signed a confidentiality agreement as part of his employment.

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