Clear/Coexist? Debate on the 3rd way of "Alleviating the Epidemic" Liang Baixian said Liang Zichao: Actual combat has passed Xianming

Leung Pak-yin, the former chief executive of the Hospital Authority and member of the special working group on the vaccination plan, wrote twice earlier that "clearing" was almost unrealistic, pointing out that the epidemic has entered a new stage, and it is impossible to continue "containment" in view of the spread. )”, instead, a “mitigation” strategy should be adopted to encourage citizens to get vaccinated, and to take into account both the economy and the livelihood of citizens is the global trend to control the epidemic.

Discussions about "coexisting" or "clearing" with the virus have reignited.

Respiratory specialist Liang Zichao left a message on Liang Baixian's social networking site, and the two exchanged fire.

Liang Zichao questioned that if the "containment" policy is abandoned, the fifth wave of the epidemic will reach its peak within 3 to 4 weeks.

He cited a British report that even if two doses of the vaccine were administered to patients over the age of 60, the mortality rate was 3 to 4%, stressing that Hong Kong's medical system cannot be "lying flat" and allowed to collapse.

Leung Pak-hsien then asked back if asymptomatic patients were packed into the hospital, whether it was a breakdown of alternative medical care?

Leung Pak-yin pointed out that after the outbreak of the epidemic in Kwai Chung Village, it was already the first phase of "epidemic mitigation" measures to be closed and quarantined in place. He questioned whether Hong Kong's ability to deal with the outbreak could continue to be controlled through "containment"?

He clarified that he was not advocating a "flattening" or laissez-faire policy, but he had to adjust his strategy according to the actual situation in Hong Kong.

Liang Pak-yin, who was a member of the SARS-fighting team in 2003, pointed out that Liang Zichao misunderstood the term "epidemic mitigation", saying that "only those who have actually controlled the epidemic will know the meaning of "epidemic mitigation", not by books or documents (obtained by Know)."

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Liang Zichao urges Liang Boxian to hand over feasible suggestions

Leung Tsz-chao questioned the view of "epidemic mitigation" in his message, emphasizing that Hong Kong is currently in the midst of the fifth wave of the epidemic, and asked Leung Pak-hsien to come up with feasible suggestions, so that the vast majority of the elderly receive two doses of the vaccine and a large number of people receive the third shot. .

Liang Baixian immediately said that the other party misunderstood the meaning of "epidemic mitigation" and retorted that the epidemic could not be controlled by data or literature alone, and posed five questions in a row:

As you said, Hong Kong has entered the fifth wave and the situation is not as good as it should be. Have you asked for a solution to the current situation?

If you ask two questions, firstly, is Hong Kong's ability to handle the current outbreak, can it continue to control the outbreak?

Second, if it is out of control, are there other ways to deal with it to reduce the mortality rate and the impact on people's lives and economy?

Of course, the collapse of the medical system is also an important consideration. If you put all asymptomatic patients in the hospital, and the patients who actually have patients cannot be admitted to the hospital and receive proper treatment, is this a situation that the public wants to see?

Is it also a case of medical collapse?

Liang Baixian asked Liang Zichao five times in a row

Liang Baixian emphasized that in dealing with public health issues, we must earnestly evaluate every day. It is not practical to find answers only from figures or documents, and risk management should be divided into layers.

The implementation of vaccine bubbles or vaccine passports must be fast, and citizens who have been vaccinated and those who have not been vaccinated should implement the "foot-stop" measures at different levels, not one-size-fits-all.

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Liang Baixian questioned Liang Zichao's misunderstanding: the isolation of the original village is already a mitigation of the epidemic

Liang Zichao retorted that, no matter whether the fifth wave of the epidemic can be controlled or not, now is the best time to buy time to increase the vaccination rate. At this stage, there is no room to try the "epidemic mitigation" strategy, because it will reduce the public's preparedness and lead to A new round of outbreaks.

He pointed out that the number of vaccinations is limited, and the next few months should focus on vaccinating people with weakened immunity to protect human lives and the medical system.

Liang Baixian later reiterated that the other party misunderstood the meaning of "epidemic mitigation".

He pointed out that "epidemic mitigation" has different stages, and the isolation of the original village in Kwai Chung Village is the first stage. He also pointed out that "only those who have controlled the epidemic in actual combat will know the meaning of "epidemic mitigation", not by books or documents (learning ).” Liang Zichao finally said that instead of endless “communication” on the Internet, it is better to focus on how to fight the fifth epidemic.

Only those who have the experience of controlling pandemics know the meaning of mitigation, not from textbooks or journals. Liang Baixian talks about actual combat

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