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David Wertheim
17/02/2022
Thursday, 17 February 2022, 14:02
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So far, the year 2022 shines a bright face for the "Fact" reporter, who also became a creator and producer, the journalist Omri Assenheim.
His interview with former judge Etty Kreif resonates even today, weeks after its broadcast, and his new series Pollard (here 11) receives good reviews and appreciation.
In a special interview with the Israel Press Institute's Ticket "podcast, Assenheim talks about Kreif and the Hadas Steif and Efi Naveh affair that revealed Kreif's appointment, the criticism leveled at the fact about the interview with Yossi Cohen and the program about the Oz family - and the dilemmas of broadcasting. The investigations of Yehuda Meshi Zahav and the aliyah "Pollard" near the death of Esther Pollard.
A small part of the conversation is presented here in writing.
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"Kreif tells me that she was a friend of Kahlon and that she thought he was her friend. And I, an idiot like me, did not ask the obvious question: And today?"
Since the interview in question with Etty Kreif, a significant thing has happened - she has worked for the Likud.
I want to ask a question of principle: should she be a Member of Knesset and perhaps Sarah?
"If they choose it then yes. Look, I once did a series on the Likud ('Likudniks') so I know this party is not bad. The Likudniks know how to choose who is good for them. And although it does not seem that way sometimes, it is not very easy to get on this list. If Etty Kreif is elected by Likud functionaries, which is really the most democratic process that exists in any party, then you will be a MK.
I do not think that what happened disqualifies her, and it is not certain that there are no Knesset members who are no worse than her, neither in the Likud nor in other parties. "
You
sound a bit diplomatic.
She deserves to be a judge.
You asked if she deserved to be a MK. And we are a democratic state. You ask if I would choose her? I do not think so.
If I chose her to be a judge?
Do not think".
In the order of the actions it seems that you are a focal point for all kinds of characters who want to move forward and you give them the stage so that they can enter the mainstream in the king way.
Yossi Cohen after the gift he received and now Etty Kreif.
Maybe you actually became a platform for rehabilitation.
"I do not think Yossi Cohen needed rehabilitation. He left the Mossad and all the Israeli journalists fought to interview him. I do not think he would get a tougher interview with anyone else than with Ilana. But let's put this interview aside because I did not do it. I will ask. You honestly: Do you have any questions that were not asked in an interview with Etty Kreif? And if I were to ask at 350 mph and not at 170 as I asked, I would get a better answer?
If I screamed at her would I get a better answer?
If she had ripped the microphone angrily because for getting into it at 350 mph, and I was there it as a promo would it be satisfying?
"To me, from the moment you manage to convince the man to interview you and tell the story for which he is a world and its fullness, the attitude should be different. When she comes to tell you have to ask the most cheeky and embarrassing and difficult questions, but at the same time you have to let her tell her story. To that end we gathered. To hear her answers, which resonate to this day. The questions and the way they were asked. "
I admit that your ability is enviable.
Your serenity is deceptive.
And yet, the plan provided no legal framework.
Suppose, how long do lawyers usually wait until the first committee approves them?
She says she's waited two years, I know it's much less than average.
Or suppose, how many Oriental judges from the periphery are accepted?
The emphasis was repeatedly "I wanted, I fit, I'm east of the periphery," but there was no supporting evidence of what was really going on in the system.
And the biggest problem at the end is that they brought in attorney Amit Haddad but there was no one in front of him.
"Fact" did not give the viewer any moral GPS to understand what the truth is in this story.
"I agree with some of what you say. Look, such an article is ultimately not an academic study. The striker I really like Alon Mizrahi once said - 'I have nothing to prove and I proved it today on the field.' His in the movie we made in fact. There may be places that could have been put in one statistic or another and that's always true. I'll give you an example of a question I asked myself after this interview about not asking. "Idiot like me, I did not ask the obvious question: And today?".
"You did not ask me if she deserved to be a judge."
Etty Kreif (Photo: Or Geffen)
"I would not take a phone and break it"
"It's an act I would not have done. I would not have taken a phone and broken it. But who am I to come now to the sword and destroy everything it has done over the years. By the way, Effie Naveh sent me a text a few days ago "
We're talking about the morning when another episode of NSO's plots is published in Calcalist, making wiretapping and hacking into what appears to be a huge omission.
Let's start with the ego - are you ashamed that you did not have this story?
"First of all, it's great. If you're not ashamed that it's not yours, you're not a journalist. That one. Congratulations. "
What do you think of the conspiratorial thesis that NSO actually uses Calcalist in favor of "negotiating" with the country after getting entangled in Europe?
"I have not heard this theory, but I will not fall off my feet if it turns out to be true. And it still does not detract from the magnitude of the achievement of exposure. I wish they would use me like that all my life."
From systematic listening to private hacking: what do you think of Hadas Steif's move against Efi Naveh?
"It's an act I would not have done. I would not have taken a phone call and broken it. But look, I have never visited another journalist's job. "And destroy everything she's done over the years. By the way, Efi Naveh sent me a text message a few days ago - now the whole country knows what it means to be Efi Naveh."
"Now the whole country knows what it is."
Efi Naveh and Hadas Steif (Photo: Reuven Castro)
"It could be that Fanya Oz hoped to receive a credit letter to her father, it could be that the article did not live up to her expectations. But to me as a viewer she did live up to expectations, and she was made by two of the best journalists in the country."
Let's talk a little more about "fact".
I want to read you a review written by Fanya Oz immediately after the broadcast of "Fact" about the Oz family in recent weeks.
"Fact ran away from the facts. She contented herself with hallucinatory and archaic recitations from Galia's book, and in front of them Daniel and I writhed in pain and restraint. "These have disappeared as if they were not a fact."
A feeling that Etty Kreif would not have written such a post after the interview.
"No, Etty Kreif did not write such a post. But listen, I saw the article and enjoyed it. Large parts of it were filmed in Kibbutz Hulda where I grew up. I do not know what led her to write this post and what she expected to receive in this article. I was not either. "I am only involved in the preparation of the article. I only know the two journalists who did this article. Ilana Dayan has been with me for 15 years, and Sarit Magen I have known since the day I entered the press. She was my first editor at the city newspaper ...".
I do not doubt their abilities and integrity.
But what brought her to this harsh response?
"It could be that she was hoping to get a credit note for her father, it could be that the article did not live up to her expectations. But to me as a viewer she did live up to expectations, and she was made by two of the best journalists in the country."
"She hoped to write a credit to her father."
Fanya Oz (Photo: Creative Commons)
The stage of a bow is worth more than money
"I never paid the interviewee. By the way, these publications were just when I met Etty Kreif, what do you think my persuasion meeting with her looked like?"
According to publications, your competitors in "The Source" pay Nir Hefetz for participating in the program.
Have you ever paid an interviewee?
"Absolutely not. By the way, these publications were just when I met Etty Kreif, what do you think my persuasion meeting with her looked like?".
Not easy.
What do they say?
"You say we do not do it and hope for the best."
Really peripheral damage was done to you.
"In the end the public memory is short, and the considerations of the interviewees are many. They want the stage of a rainbow that is sometimes worth their money, and there are other things that come along with it. I also do not know what Drucker got in return, maybe the payment is not just for the interview but "Also for materials. I know we did not pay and I will also try to avoid it as much as I can in the future."
Rehavam Zeevi who harassed and raped women, former GSS chief Yaakov Perry who lied about his military service in the IDF - a revelation that led to his resignation from the Knesset, Shimon Cooper's conviction or the film about the way judges are appointed.
What do you enjoy most?
"I have the most fun when the weekend comes and I am with my children. But at the level of the investigation it changes reality - so the double widower mystery of Shimon Cooper. I do not remember there being a precedent for a journalistic product that led to a double murder conviction. "For the first time, I was able to delve into myself in a television product. And of course the series about Pollard."
"Do not know what he got."
Drucker (Photo: Screenshot, Network 13)
Triple betrayal
"At the beginning of the meeting, Schultz talked for 5 minutes about Netanyahu, he is a Republican and a big fan of his. Then for 25 minutes he talked about the first phone call that Shimon Peres as prime minister spoke to in the dead of night."
Then we'll move on to Pollard.
I want to start with a technical question: Why is the series not in "Fact"?
"Look, I came to the fact at 31 and today I'm 47. I'm still a member of the show and I enjoy it, but I also want to do other things and produce myself. And also, in fact there are 20-22 shows a year, I do not think in such a format "Over 50 minutes for one subject. The Tselim affair, for example, had two episodes, and was exceptional. But regardless, I wanted to do something else. Examine myself."
Take with you also the mythical "fact" director Gilad Tokatli with you.
"Hello, you are not taking Tuktali. Tuktali has to decide if he is coming. It is an institution. And of course I was very, very happy that he agreed."
You recently said that "Pollard is a series about betrayal - of Israel in its greatest ally, of Pollard in his homeland, and of the Israeli establishment in Pollard."
Explain.
"In the first stage, Israel is betraying the United States.
Israel sends a mole to naval intelligence and also endangers its very existence.
This is something that today is inconceivable when you think about it.
The second thing is Pollard's betrayal of his homeland.
The fact that he decides at the age of 13 that he wants to be Moshe Dayan or James Bond is still a betrayal of the place where he grew up and was born.
And the third thing is Israel's betrayal of it.
Israel knowingly sells Pollard.
She protects her people, and sells him.
In the moment of truth, the whole gang of operators flew to Israel and he was left there alone. "
How did you even think about that.
"I was at Stanford University, which by the way was a year of life, both professionally and in terms of my personal life. And one day when I was on campus, I saw on the table the Stanford Daily, the student newspaper, and I see a quote from George Schultz who was Secretary of State. In the '80s. And I said to myself, 'Wow, this man is still alive.' And after 3 weeks his secretary answered me and said I could meet him for half an hour.
"At the beginning of the meeting, he talked for 5 minutes about Netanyahu, he is a Republican and a big fan of his. Then for 25 minutes he talked about the first phone call that Shimon Peres as prime minister had in the middle of the night, when they were both talking and Schultz asked him in street language 'Brother, what are you spying on us?' "And the embarrassed Peres did not know what to say to him. Then I saw that Pollard lived close by, and slowly things started to connect and I decided that this would be the company's first project."
The dream of selling abroad. "Pollard" (Photo: PR)
"It should be remembered that Sheldon and Miri Adelson were among the people who pushed hard for his release against Trump and also brought him to Israel on their plane." I also realized very quickly that if I interviewed him I would have to stick to his narrative, and I thought this story was bigger than one person's story.
The series looks very polished, it seems to appeal to an international audience.
Is that actually the intention?
Sell to foreign chains?
"When I was in America I realized how much content is really king, and yes, I thought to myself that maybe I too could someday do something that would suit the audience there. But look, when they caught Pollard he kept saying his motivation was not money but ideology, so my motivation to sell is different "
Why, in fact, does Pollard himself not appear in the series?
"By and large he can not and does not want to. I have reasonable grounds to believe that he received such an instruction from people sitting in the Kirya and her cousin areas. He gave one interview to Israel today that was somewhat swallowed up under the radar. To land in their plane.
"I also realized very quickly that if I interviewed him I would have to stick to his narrative, and I thought this story is bigger than one person's story. "A spy probably needs a personality like that. Don't expect it from people who want a nine to five job."
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