During an interview with BFMTV on Monday, then during a walkabout, Emmanuel Macron returned to one of the key measures of his campaign, the postponement to 65 of the retirement age. retirement.
Questioned by Bruce Toussaint in the Le Bellevue café in Carvin (Pas-de-Calais), the candidate president promised to "consult" before implementing this proposal.
“I say today the system is no longer funded.
If we accept a deficit on our pensions, that means:
our children are the ones who will pay
”, he first advanced to defend the measure, before recalling his promise to index retirement pensions to inflation and to raise the minimum pension to 1100 euros for full careers.
"I look at all our neighbors, we are between 65 and 67 years old," he said.
Pensions: Emmanuel Macron "does not rule out a referendum" pic.twitter.com/aFTpmQievk
– BFMTV (@BFMTV) April 11, 2022
If elected, Emmanuel Macron however promised to "consult" on the reform project, in order to improve it "collectively".
He also assured not to "exclude" the idea of a referendum, "for any reform whatsoever".
“Our discussions (
with the French
) allow things to be clarified,” he added.
64 rather than 65?
A few minutes later, the president-candidate detailed his thoughts while answering questions during a walkabout.
“I am ready to move the relationship to time and say that we do not necessarily make a reform until 2030 if I feel too much anxiety among people.
Because we cannot say on Sunday evening
I want to gather
and when we go to listen to people say
I am not moving
", he underlined, affirming that "the 65 years are not a dogma" and evoking a “revision clause in 2027”.
Asked whether this figure could be lowered to 64, given the reluctance of the French, he replied in the affirmative.
“I open the door very clearly (…) maybe if there is too much tension, we have to stop in 2027, and not preempt the rest” of the reform, he specified, knowing that his current project is to delay the retirement age by 4 months per year from 2023.
This reform project is so disputed that he was questioned about it by worried residents throughout his visit to Hauts-de-France on Monday.
"I voted for you but I regret it, you don't like retirees very much," a resident of Denain told her.
Response from the candidate: "Our elders must have a more decent pension, the minimum pension is 900 euros, we are going to raise it to 1100. If we want that for our elders, we have to work a little longer, those who have long or arduous careers or the handicapped, they will be allowed to leave a little earlier.
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