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Spahn drills with "Will" with relish in the SPD wound - the moderator dupes Klingbeil

Created: 05/16/2022, 15:52

The guests at "Anne Will" (ARD) on May 15, 2022.

© NDR/Wolfgang Borrs

The CDU emerged from the state elections in North Rhine-Westphalia as the strongest force.

In "Anne Will" ex-Minister Jens Spahn questions the federal government. 

Berlin – "We deduce from the election results that the next government will be formed," says CDU politician Jens Spahn proudly classifying the results of the state elections in NRW in "Anne Will".

While SPD leader Lars Klingbeil and FDP parliamentary group leader Christian Dürr never tire of proclaiming the cohesion of the traffic lights on the show, the ex-health minister stubbornly drills into the coalition nerve: "The traffic lights", according to the current parliamentary group leader aggressively, have got off to a "great start", but meanwhile "you can see cracks and conflicts in many places".

"The only thing that was quickly agreed upon," adds Spahn provocatively, "is cannabis legalization."

"Anne Will": Scholz is wrong in NRW - Spahn happily drills into the SPD wound

The NRW election has long been considered a “small federal election”.

Because the most populous federal state of North Rhine-Westphalia with the once powerful industry reliably reflects the entire Federal Republic in the demoscopic values.

After Schleswig-Holstein, the CDU and the Greens now also achieved electoral successes here;

things looked much worse for the FDP and SPD.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz had campaigned for the latter in the state election campaign, had his likeness posted nationwide and predicted in the week before election Sunday that his party would become the “strongest force”.

Instead, losses followed.

Anne Will tries to analyze with her guests: What role does federal politics play in voting behavior in NRW?

"Anne Will" - these guests discussed with:

• Lars Klingbeil (SPD)

  - party chairman

• Ricarda Lang (Die Grünen)

  - Party leader

• Christian Dürr (FDP

  ) - parliamentary group leader

• Jens Spahn (CDU)

  - deputy parliamentary group leader

• Mariam Lau -

  political correspondent of the

  time

Dürr immediately countered the attacks by the CDU man with a pointed remark: It is noticeable that "dear Jens Spahn" was a member of the grand coalition, so they "discussed publicly and in the end didn't achieve anything!".

Klingbeil, who is on a first-name basis with Spahn on the show, also states: "Jens Spahn has arrived in the opposition role and he obviously enjoys it." to which Klingbeil was carried away at the beginning of the legislature - was probably "a bit very euphoric".

Klingbeil crash-landed when trying to proclaim a traffic light coalition in NRW as “quite conceivable”: “Mr. Wüst” must “see” whether he can “get a black-green majority,” said Klingbeil, or “whether other majorities open".

Moderator Anne Will does not accept this and points out to the SPD man that he argued the other way around after the federal election in relation to Armin Laschet: "How does your attitude at the time match that of tonight?" Asks Will and brings Klingbeil to reformulate: "Mr. Wüst leads the talks," he states, then we'll see ... 

Jens Spahn sums it up: "There are two clear election winners, the CDU and the Greens!"

Greens Federal Chairwoman Ricarda Lang, whose state association in North Rhine-Westphalia achieved enormous electoral success with a good 18 percent as the third strongest force, made it unmistakably clear that her party was not opposed to a black-green coalition under Wüst.

The only decisive factor is who “is willing to go along with climate neutrality”.

Lang: "For us, it's about nothing less than making NRW the first climate-neutral industrial region in all of Europe."

Jens Spahn summarizes: “There are two clear election winners, the CDU and the Greens.

That's why I think it's normal that people try to find

there a reminder for the traffic light and an announcement for Olaf Scholz. ”While Scholz tried to “take both camps with him”, especially on questions of the Ukraine war, the Greens and the Union had positioned themselves clearly.

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Group leader Jens Spahn (CDU) and party leader Lars Klingbeil (SPD) as guests of “Anne Will” (ARD).

© NDR/Wolfgang Borrs

Klingbeil tries to step into the breach for his chancellor: "There is a clear commitment from the NRW-SPD to Olaf Scholz," says the SPD general.

Surveys would show that the chancellor was "very popular there".

But Will dupes Klingbeil nonchalantly: "No, no!" she interjects and displays a current survey.

Olaf Scholz is "rated by only 35 percent as a great support for the SPD in North Rhine-Westphalia".

Klingbeil replies: "Apparently there are different surveys..."

Steep template for Jens Spahn: "It was an attempt to turn it into a federal political vote.

And that didn't work," interestingly enough, Klingbeil nods into the camera at this objection.

"It doesn't work to announce a turning point in the Bundestag and at the same time to say that the coalition agreement will remain 1:1 on all other issues," criticizes Spahn.

Then Dürr, who brings the global geopolitical changes into play, can also go along: "We are faced with dramatic decisions, the old will not come back!".

Lau also fears: "Our classic model of prosperity will not last."

The Chancellor does not talk enough about this, but Spahn criticizes it.

The core problem here is "inflation" - which, according to the CDU man, will dominate the next decade.

So far, “nothing has been heard from the Chancellor” about this.

Conclusion of the "Anne Will" talk

What applies to football - "After the game is before the game" - seems to also apply to the NRW elections this time: After the election is before the election.

Jens Spahn in particular emphasized that the election result can be read as pointing the way for the next federal election and left the option of a black-green federal coalition floating around.

However, this did not trigger a storm of jubilation at Ricarda Lang.

The talk got lost a little too much in partisan bickering, which was at the expense of content.

The position of the parties on the subject of "inflation" would have been exciting ...