Heavy weapons?
SPD-Stegner simply tears up Poland's president - "Hasn't leased the truth either!"
Created: 05/25/2022, 14:47
Ralf Stegner (SPD) - MdB and state and parliamentary group chairman of the SPD Schleswig-Holstein - as a guest at "Maischberger" (ARD).
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Sandra Maischberger's Ukraine round is hard on Olaf Scholz.
Ralf Stegner has to defend himself - he freely interprets the concept of "heavy weapons".
Berlin - "There are a lot of things being said that are not true!": The SPD MP Ralf Stegner leans far out of the window at "Maischberger" in the first.
He dismisses Polish President Andrzej Duda's criticism of the lack of tank deliveries from Germany as gossip: "He didn't lease the truth either!"
Ukraine debate at "Maischberger": Stegner wipes criticism from Poland off the table
Maischberger raises his eyebrows: "That's the Polish President!" And adds: "You think that the Polish President doesn't know what he's talking about?".
"Heavy weapons" could be a lot, Stegner wriggles, but "battle tanks from the West" and "combat aircraft" were not meant, says the SPD man and emphasizes: "Germany cannot go it alone, we will do that with the allies .”
In Maischberger Politics Talk, criticism of Chancellor Olaf Scholz's Ukraine policy is in the foreground.
The hangers are the statements of the CDU MP Roderich Kiesewetter, who had sharply attacked "Anne Will" Scholz.
The foreign policy expert had indirectly accused the chancellor of deliberately delaying arms deliveries, claiming: "I'm afraid the chancellor doesn't want Ukraine to win this war!".
Kieswetter later spoke of "hidden signals" that the federal government was sending to Moscow.
"Maischberger" - these guests discussed with:
Norbert Röttgen (CDU)
- foreign politician and member of the CDU presidium
Ralf Stegner (SPD)
- member of the Bundestag
Kurt Krömer
- comedian and author
As experts:
Florian Schroeder
- cabaret artist and moderator
Anna Mayr
-
Zeit
-journalist
Christoph Schwennicke
- Managing Director of Corint Media
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CDU foreign politicians Norbert Röttgen and Stegner are to interpret and analyze Kieswetter on behalf of their parties.
Röttgen finds that "the federal government does not keep what it promises!".
It is "no coincidence" that Scholz does not use the word "win" in connection with Ukraine and does not set a clear foreign policy objective - "no more Russian troops on Ukrainian territory".
Röttgen expresses the impression "that the Federal Chancellor is not pursuing this as his goal".
Stegner, on the other hand, calls Kiesewetter's behavior "irresponsible": accusing the Chancellor of an "accusation of treason" is "completely wrong".
Scholz also gets his fat off the "Maischberger" expert counter.
Cabaret artist Florian Schroeder complains that the Chancellor's attitude is "not prudence or deliberation", as the journalist Christoph Schwennicke had described Scholz' attitude, but simply "inability".
Schroeder explains: "Someone is lurking around!".
He attests Scholz to be "an Angela Merkel to the power of two, plus quite an arrogance", which is particularly evident in his non-commenting behavior.
Schwennicke also has a problem with Scholz' communication: "He's not good at it," he says.
Unlike Habeck, who you can "watch while thinking", Scholz has an "inability to explain this hesitation".
Florian Schroeder - cabaret artist and moderator - in conversation with Sandra Maischberger.
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Ukraine lessons at Maischberger: "I don't think that you can be a pacifist as a German"
Fresh, free and cheeky, the youngest in the group,
Zeit
editor Anna Mayr, reinterprets a widespread political attitude: "I don't think that a German can be a pacifist," she proclaims to the group.
Instead of doing everything "to just not have anything to do with those stupid tanks", we should know "that tanks and fighter planes can also liberate".
Röttgen also sees German Leopard tanks, which Scholz wants to leave in Germany for defense purposes, as currently stationed on Poland's eastern flank as the "most sensible".
Regarding the controversial question of whether Germany is currently able to supply weapons at all, Röttgen explains: "We have the fourth strongest armaments industry in the world."
Stegner shows how differently large parts of the SPD think: “What do you prefer?
On questions of war and peace?
A level-headed Chancellor?” he asks rhetorically and exclaims: “Russia cannot be defeated!” Röttgen agrees, but demands that the military forces “resist”.
Germany is in a precarious situation: dependent on the USA in terms of security policy, on Russia in terms of energy policy, and on China in terms of industry.
That has to change.
Stegner, on the other hand, is frankly critical of an SPD chancellor from the past and reveals that he has “politically zero sympathy” for Gerhard Schröder, who lets himself be financed by “warmongers”.
Mayr adds: "Someone really grabbed the toilet." Even cabaret artist Schroeder doesn't let a joke be taken at the expense of his namesake: "He confirms exactly the decadent thinking" about the West that Putin always leads: "Some useful idiot “ You can always find someone “whom you call and pay” and who regulates “everything”.
Conclusion of the “Maischberger.
The week” talks
The topic of arms deliveries caused a lot of movement on the show's Twitter channel.
Well over a hundred pros and cons gathered, especially under Stegner's commentary.
What social explosives the war in Ukraine also has in store in Germany, especially if prices continue to rise - not a word was heard on the show.
The beginnings are already visible.
(Verena Schulemann)