Minister Ze'ev Elkin, one of the architects of the unification of the state camp, refers in an interview to "Israel Today" to the claims that he and Gideon Sa'ar are friends with leftists, emphasizes that he is not ashamed of his views as a rightist, he does not ignore the differences between him and Gantz and Eisenkot but insists that they reached an understanding on the issue the political
In the meantime, your union is not rising, why?
"Since the union we are the third largest list, and since we joined Netanyahu has not reached 61, so the goals of stopping Netanyahu and creating a third option to the two options of a government with Netanyahu or sixth elections have been achieved."
You are a small party. Those who want to replace Netanyahu can vote for a torch that has a better chance of forming a government?
"Lapid, according to all the numbers, cannot form a government. It doesn't matter how many mandates he will have because he is unable to cross the blocs. His only option is a government with the joint and we will not take part in this option. Gantz is the only person willing to work with both blocs and can unite and form a government."
torch.
Prime Minister only in transit, photo: Yonatan Zindel/Flash90
Lapid wants to drag to sixth elections to remain prime minister?
"It is clear that the continuation of the existing option is the only option for him to be prime minister, without claiming that he is acting on purpose. There is no other option for him to form a government under his leadership, but only to continue with a transitional government."
You say you are a right-wing house, but Eisenkot spoke out against the settlement in Judea and Samaria and against the repeal of the secession law that you voted for in the past.
"Izenkot's statement was made in connection with the cancellation of disengagement in the Gaza Strip, and although they opposed disengagement, we understand that it is not relevant to return Israeli settlement to the Gaza Strip. I have not changed my mind regarding northern Samaria, we see the importance of establishing settlements in the Yash everywhere.
Eisenkot, like us, thinks that settlement in the West Bank should be strengthened. We formulated a political document on which we have agreements."
Eisenkot said that Chumash should be evacuated. Do you think they should be removed?
"Ultimately, in Chomash there is a problem with the law, and the yeshiva is also on private land, and I don't think that in order to justify settlement in the yeshiva it should be done on private land, there are state lands.
The settlement must be according to the law.
Netanyahu cleared Chums many times.
In the last government, I asked not to evacuate Chumash after the attack because I thought it would be a reward for terrorism.
Whoever goes to the five-day camp today knows that he is acting against the law and knows that he will be evicted from there."
Eisenkot.
There are agreements, photo: Yossi Zeliger
What do you think about Gantz's meetings with Abu Mazen?
"I would not run to meet Abu Mazen, but I have no security responsibility for the lives of residents. I don't know what I would do as Minister of Defense, I am not a proponent of meetings with him. We have criticism of Abu Mazen, Gantz also has. On the other hand, the Israeli governments They have been conducting a security dialogue with the PA for generations. Gantz is the Minister of Defense and is responsible for it, he believes that in order to establish security cooperation it is correct to meet with Abu Mazen, so I understand that, even if I would like to behave differently."
"I would not run to meet Abu Mazen."
Gantz and Abu Mazen., Photo: Yehuda Peretz, Oren Ben Hakon, I.P.I
Eisenkot said that with 12 mandates it is illegitimate to demand a prime ministership, do you agree
?
"The question of legitimacy is determined by only one test - the decision of a majority in the Knesset to support the government, that is the law. But he is right that with 12 mandates it will be very difficult to form a government and with 15 or 17 mandates it will be easier."
Eisenkot in a statement alongside Gantz and Saar: "Netanyahu cannot run for public office with an indictment" // Photo: Moshe Ben Simhon
How will you form a government? The ultra-orthodox say they will go with Netanyahu to the opposition.
"Let's leave something after the elections, it is enough to take seriously the statements of the leaders of the Netanyahu bloc before the elections. If Netanyahu does not reach 61, we will see changes both within the bloc and in Likud."
Will you agree to Netanyahu being an alternate prime minister and Gantz the first prime minister?
"We will not agree to return Netanyahu to the prime ministership in any constellation. If Netanyahu has 61 mandates for the government, we will go serve the public from the opposition."
Sixth election, or a government with Netanyahu when he is second in rotation?
"If Netanyahu does not have 61, we will succeed in forming a government. I am not answering an irrelevant question, we will not be at this crossroads, we will simply form a government."
Either Netanyahu or us.
Opposition leader Netanyahu, photo: Oren Ben Hakon
In recent days, Netanyahu agreed to the ultra-Orthodox's demand to commit to comparing the budgeting of their Torah Talmud to the general sector even without core studies. The ultra-orthodox say they will demand this as a condition for any government. You want to form a government with them, will you agree to that?
"This is exactly what Netanyahu is doing - making baseless promises, crossing all the red lines, he knows he can't keep it either. We're not in this game, it's ridiculous to treat it, it's a promise that crosses all the red lines, we won't agree to it."
Are you in favor of public transport on Shabbat?
"It is important that the identity of Shabbat be preserved, it is more correct to transfer the decisions to the local government and less to the central government. Things that will be done in Bnei Brak will be of one type, and in Ramat Gan they will be of another type. Each city will know precisely how to decide on the issue of Shabbat in its area while taking into account the different publics. Merav Michaeli goes In an extreme line, I don't think it's right to use political power to change the status quo, it should be done by agreement."
Will Itamar Ben Gabir be with you in the government? Not even in a broad government?
"You will not see us in the same government with Ben Gvir."
"We will not sit with him."
MK Itamar Ben Gabir, photo: Oren Ben Hakon
Do you agree with Gantz's call that the joint will recommend you to the president?
"We will not set up a government that depends on a joint party neither from the outside nor from the inside. Regarding recommendations - everyone is ready to accept even from parties that they do not include in the coalition."
Which minister would you like to be in the next government?
"I would be happy to continue in the position of Minister of Housing."
Zeev Elkin, Minister of Housing, photo: Amit Shavi
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