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Storming of the congress in Brasilia: "You have to imagine it like a radical sect"

2023-01-09T19:31:00.488Z


The violence escalated in Brazil, and security forces apparently initially let the rioters do their thing. SPIEGEL correspondent Jens Glüsing says how dangerous Bolsonaro supporters are.


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Violence, Chaos, Destruction.

Thousands of people stormed the Congress, the Supreme Court and the Presidential Palace in Brazil's capital, Brasilia.

They are supporters of ex-president Jair Bolsonaro, who was voted out, who do not accept his defeat.

The images are similar to the storming of the Capitol in Washington DC almost exactly two years ago.

And as in the case of Donald Trump and the USA, the question arises in Brazil how much responsibility the ex-president bears for the escalation.

Jens Glüsing, DER SPIEGEL:


"So far there is no clear evidence of this, but everything indicates that he knew about this storming of parliament.

And there are already complaints against him from the time before this action, that he incited people to attack democracy with his fake news.«

Bolsonaro left Brazil shortly before handing over office to his successor Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, he is staying in Florida.

Videos are circulating on Twitter in which he shows himself relaxed, in the supermarket or with followers.

Politically he has lost a lot of power, but the radicals among his fans are still with him.

Jens Glüsing, DER SPIEGEL:


»You have to imagine it like a closed religious sect.

They are incapable of dialogue.

They feel in possession of an absolute truth, a religious truth.

They think the whole thing is controlled by God and Lula is the devil.

They live in a closed parallel world, which is why you can't get to these people.

That's why they're so radical and so dangerous.«

There are two big differences to the storming of the Capitol: In Brasilia, unlike in Washington, the buildings were empty, the summer break is on.

And: While the police in the USA were simply understaffed and overwhelmed, in Brazil they simply let the crowd do their thing.

Despite a warning from the Attorney General, security forces escorted the crowd, who initially demonstrated peacefully, to Congress.

Only later did special units bring the situation under control.

Hundreds of people were arrested.

And yet this day shows that Bolsonaro continues to enjoy great support among the security forces.

However, a military-led overthrow is still considered unlikely.

Jens Glüsing, DER SPIEGEL:


»The risk of a coup in Brazil is very low.

The institutions have so far proved to be very stable.

A lot will depend on whether Brazil manages to put these people who did this behind bars permanently.

Brazil has a huge problem with impunity.

And when it comes out that all these guys are free again after a few months and nothing happens, then of course they feel encouraged.

And Bolsonaro will certainly continue to encourage them to do so.

Then something similar can happen again.

But the danger of a real coup in Brazil is low, the country is too big, too important and ultimately also too firmly anchored in democracy.

How things will continue for Bolsonaro is unclear.

US Democrats are already calling for his expulsion.

But Bolsonaro probably won't want to return home anytime soon.

Jens, Glüsing:


»It was originally said that he wanted to go to the USA for four weeks, I don't think he'll be back at the end of the month, I assume he'll stay longer.

But in any case, the risk for him that he will be arrested has increased very, very much.

It's also possible that the Brazilians are preparing something, an arrest warrant, that they'll ask the American authorities to arrest him if they can prove that he was preparing a coup."

In Brazil, and here the comparison with the USA fits perfectly, meanwhile it will be a question of reconciling a deeply divided nation.

Source: spiegel

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