Do we have a problem with violent migrants?
The round at Lanz is progressing slowly.
Only political scientist Hamed Abdel-Samad is clear.
Hamburg – A rare guest from the old days of politics at Markus Lanz: Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger.
She was Federal Minister of Justice twice.
She is familiar with the debate about violent migrants.
But that evening she doesn't know the right advice in the ZDF talk show either.
After the knife attack in Brokstedt, where a Palestinian migrant killed two people on the train and seven others were injured, some seriously, this evening we will look at the causes.
Is our judiciary too soft?
Why was the assassin known for being violent free?
Why was he even still in the country?
Markus Lanz on ZDF on Brokstedt's knife attack: Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger urges objectivity
Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger finds the statement by Interior Minister Nancy Faeser inadequate.
Faeser did not give any answers shortly after Brokstedt's knife attack, but only asked questions that she should actually answer herself, Lanz also warned in his TV show.
The ex-minister agrees: "It's her responsibility." Faeser's question time doesn't contribute to security.
She sees a clear starting point: because the assassin was violent even while he was in custody.
He attacked a fellow inmate and a prison officer.
This was reason enough to extend the detention.
Then the perpetrator would not have been at large.
Judge Andrea Titz complains that far too little is known about the Brokstedt case.
You only have fragments and only from the media, says the lawyer.
But is there a problem in your profession, the judiciary?
Titz cites startling numbers: "In criminal justice, we assume that there are 1,000 judge positions that are missing." And what's more: Of the currently only around 25,000 judges, up to 35 percent would retire by 2030.
The permanent revision leads to "phenomena such as release from prison".
As in the Brokstedt case, journalist Schmitz interjects.
But Titz interrupts him harshly: This case is different.
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Gregor Peter Schmitz
Political scientist Abdel-Samad complains that the actual debate about militant migrants is taboo.
"We don't want to talk about it.
We say: These are isolated cases.
Before we start, politicians and media people come and tell us how we shouldn't conduct the debate." That was the case in 2015 with the first migration crisis, and "we haven't learned anything from it.
We can't talk about origins, we can't talk about culture and we can't talk about the socialization of these people at home."
On the contrary, after 2015 all parties even removed the issue of migration from their programs.
Only the AfD speaks about it.
"How can it be that politicians are now so clueless?" Lanz wants to know.
"Sometimes we don't apply our law consistently enough," answers Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger.
Schmitz warns: "Origin alone does not make a perpetrator." Young refugees would "carry trauma around with them".
You have to take care of them and treat them.
Abdel-Samad counters with a look at history: Vietnamese refugees also had many problems, but "when did they attack people with knives?" He cites Japan, where he lived for a long time.
“They also have a lot of migrants.
But this uncontrolled migration does not exist.
There are no such problems.”
Whether it's a knife attack or a New Year's Eve riot: deportation is possible, but it doesn't take place - says Lanz
There were 1,000 victims in the 2015 New Year's Eve riots in Cologne.
“How many perpetrators were punished?” asks Abdel-Samad.
Lanz has the numbers: "It's sobering.
1210 criminal charges were filed.
46 were accused, 36 of them convicted.” And only two for sexual assault.
Lanz lists the many crimes committed by the Brokstedt assassin.
"Aren't we dealing with someone who shouldn't have been in the country for five years?" he asks.
Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger replies that deportation is difficult but possible.
"But it doesn't happen," Lanz replies.
Abdel-Samad on ZDF: Egyptian professionals should rather disguise themselves as Syrians and apply for asylum
The immigration of skilled workers to Germany is also discussed.
“What should a capable mathematician do from Egypt?” Lanz wants to know from the German-Egyptian Abdel-Samad.
He explains the complicated immigration procedure and comes to the conclusion: "It's easier for him to disguise himself as a Syrian and say.
I'm applying for asylum." Lanz can hardly believe it: "So, it's easier to just pay a smuggler?"
Abdel-Samad replies: “Yes.
That's also a point we need to be a little more honest about.
Asylum law is a good achievement, but it is not the primary task of the German state.
There are other achievements, like internal security.
The state is first responsible for the citizens before it saves the rest of the world.” Schmitz interrupts him: “Let's stick to the facts.
We don't have an explosion of violence in Germany." Lanz has a statistic ready: "14 percent of those tolerated are responsible for acts of violence, although they only make up two percent of the population."
Abdel-Samad outlines the living situation of the migrants.
"When they spoke to me in Arabic, they used derogatory language against judges, even their own lawyer.
That they are all unbelievers.
That's the narrative that they sometimes bring with them from home." You can't respect Germans, that's the opinion.
The culture is "in asymmetry to the West".
Schmitz throws the Basic Law into the debate.
Everyone should stick to that.
Abdel-Samad takes up the argument.
Free personal development of the individual is in Article 2. Where is this right in a girl who is religiously appropriated and wears a headscarf at the age of six: "Where is the state that enables this girl to freely develop her personality?"
Conclusion of the talk with Markus Lanz:
Ex-Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger convinced with her usual expertise, but her performance was a bit pale overall.
Hamed Abdel-Samad, on the other hand, had hard and clear words with him.
The German-Egyptian tried not to keep his opinions secret and spoke openly about what he believed to be going wrong when it came to migration in Germany.