Hili Trooper in an interview at the studio Walla!
In his weekend program with Tal Shalu, taken on a weekday, February 2, 2023 (Stills: Reuven Castro)
In the last four years of the political floundering, MK Hili Trooper (state camp) became known as a man who symbolizes connections, who is accepted and appreciated by both sides of the barrier. He was one of the architects of the establishment of the Netanyahu-Ganz government in 2020, and helped to establish the Bennett-Lapid government a year later, and continued good and positive relations with Likud and ultra-Orthodox members of the opposition. But when it comes to the legal reform promoted by Netanyahu's sixth government, even he does not sound optimistic
. Channel 99 sees Simcha Rothman's train rushing forward, not really signaling or coming to stop." According to him, "there is an atmosphere of fuel fumes in the air and every other day someone throws a match, and in the end if the fire spreads here it will burn us all.
And it doesn't matter right or left anymore.
Therefore the responsibility for this place must persist.
Can't say that so far with great success, because the ends manage this matter.
at the end.
A day after Justice Minister Yariv Levin presented his legal plan, state camp chairman Benny Gantz called on the prime minister to form a team that would form broad agreements on changes to the justice system. Likud rejected the proposal and invited him to discussions on the reform in the constitutional committee. "We offered them to talk - but until Today they did not respond to the request," he says, quoting Rachel the poet's poem "Why an outstretched hand does not meet a sister's hand".
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"There is currently no real basis for negotiations."
Hili Trooper in an interview with Tal Shalu (Photo: Reuven Castro)
You yourself met with Levin's rival.
Then you can tell if there is a basis for the conversation.
"I sat with Yariv Levin and what was in the room will remain in the room. But unfortunately at the moment there is no real basis for conversation. I have no personal hatred towards anyone. Not towards Netanyahu, not towards Yariv Levin, not towards Itamar Ben Gabir. It is very difficult for me. I disagree on a lot from their positions, but I grew up in a house where they don't give up the possibility of togetherness. But they say - we won't change anything, and are only ready for cosmetic repairs.
In the end, there are actually only two authorities today, a judicial authority and an executive authority, and the Knesset is completely a part of it. If Yariv Levin succeeds There will only be one authority in Israel, the authority of the government, because he will also appoint the judges and the Knesset is already weak, and this is dangerous."
The coalition says they are ready for talks - just come to the Constitution Committee, where the discussions on the reform are underway.
"Our representatives are constantly in the Constitutional Committee, we are there, but there is no negotiation. We still hope that Netanyahu will respond to this matter. But I am no longer sure that Netanyahu is in control of this event, there is always some thought that he can do what he wants, but the responsibility is surely His".
President Herzog is also trying to hold talks, but according to your conclusions, maybe his initiative is also doomed to failure?
"I hope not. I'm glad that my president doesn't sit on the fence and when he sees these colliding trains he enters the arena and tries. I really hope he succeeds. To tell you what the chances are? I don't know."
"If Yariv Levin succeeds there will be only one authority in Israel, the authority of the government."
Yariv Levin (photo: Walla! system, no)
Last week, a trooper arrived with Gantz at the scene of the attack in Neve Ya'akov, and they were attacked with boos by the crowd.
According to him, "It is fueled by people who today sing but in the past it was their custom to go to a place where there was an attack and blaspheme and curse, so they are already singing but it seems that their spirit has remained there. It is quite amazing that even when we are no longer in the government and come to hug we are attacked."
"This is despicable behavior in my opinion, but they are not my problem. My problem is the leadership that encourages this and remains silent in the face of this," Troper said, adding, "It happened to us a few months ago at the Kotel, and perhaps the saddest thing was someone who told me, 'When my soldiers will understand You and Gantz - there are places you shouldn't be,' that is, not to go to the Wall, to pray for the peace of the country, not to go to the place where my brothers were murdered at the entrance to a synagogue. This is not an option for me. Of course we will continue to go everywhere. There is no place in Israel that I will say that I don't come to him."
How much does it upset you that the same leaders who attacked you for running out of hands are now sitting in your seats and doing almost the same thing?
It's not a matter of being annoying personally, I think it's a lesson for everyone - a little modesty.
Benny Gantz introduced a policy from the walls guard that anything that happens from Gaza is immediately attacked back.
And they released videos attacking dunes, but the bottom line is that Gantz brought peace that had not been here for years in the Gaza Strip.
Those people are now discovering the complexity.
I don't think it's easy to evacuate Khan El Ahmar or that the reality in Gaza is simple, I don't come to get into trouble, to make up my mind about them.
I just hope it will teach us all that the reality, certainly the political and security one, is so much more complex and maybe it's better to talk less and do more.
I don't remember a security policy cabinet where so many people participating in it had already announced on Facebook in advance what they were going to say in it, and then went outside and told what they said word for word.
I know a cabinet where everything is quiet, secret, serious.
It seems that everyone is in competition on Facebook and Instagram what they post but, in the end you were chosen to lead, to govern, in your own language.
Action time, less talk.
Benny Gantz in the political world was at times a hero of the right and bibists and at times an enemy.
So it is very possible that in a few months they will raise him again.
"If it is because we will enter the government, then I can remove concern and prevent their expected celebrations - we do not intend to enter the government. It is not on the agenda"
"We are friends even if we disagree."
Miki Zohar (Photo: Reuven Castro)
Trooper and the members of the state camp are also harshly criticized in their camp for wanting to talk to the government about the legal reform, according to him, "I can take it. There are also those who attacked me, I am not a gentle person even though I am polite. I can take it, I understand the anger, I hear at the demonstrations people yelling at me, don't give in and that I'm not allowed to talk to them. I don't know of an option not to talk to my brothers. But that doesn't mean surrender. I'll talk to them and stand by my positions. There are many Israelis, who maybe shout less and understand the details of the reform less Legally, and one may lean for or against it, but there are a great many Israelis who are most troubled by the fact that our country will be broken and torn apart from the inside. And I try to be their voice."
Also in your line of work, the government started the first month trying to dismantle your tenure.
Culture Minister Miki Zohar wanted to cancel the Shabbat Israeli initiative.
You talk to him, what does he tell you?
"We are friends even if we disagree. I think he realized that he must have been wrong here in the matter of the Israeli Sabbath, in the end it didn't just come back. There was no reason for the cancellation, I hoped he would not do like Yoav Kish and Miri Regev who came in and immediately canceled reforms. They sing that is their right , but I would like to think that my minister sat down for a few months to think and hears all sides and makes an informed decision. I hope Miki will not act like this. It happened on an Israeli Shabbat, but the main thing is that it came back and continues. Because the Israelis gave the clearest answer. Last Shabbat more arrived Israelis than ever before to the heritage sites in Israel. Ben Gurion's barracks and the courtyard in Tel Hai and Beit Shai Agnon and the wall and the tower. All the sites of our heritage. This government talks so much about roots, heritage, Judaism, Zionism. Do not stop this possibility. The Israelis came and said with their feet: This is our home, these are our roots, we won't stop coming on weekends, and I'm glad it continues."
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