Russian opponents of Vladmir Putin's regime ruled on Saturday that a victory for Ukraine was the "
pre-condition
", in the words of Garry Kasparov, for a democratic transition in Moscow.
A victory for Ukrainian troops is "
the precondition for democracy in Russia
", explained the former world chess champion and opponent of Vladimir Putin, on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference (Germany).
Garry Kasparov took part in a round table devoted to the
Russian "democratic future" with the deposed ex-oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Ianna Nemtsova, journalist and daughter of Boris Nemtsov, an opponent assassinated in Moscow in 2015, as well as the historian Irina Scherbakova
,
co-founder of the NGO Memorial, Nobel Peace Prize 2022.
“
No spending is excessive for Ukraine
”
“
The liberation from Putin's fascism goes through Ukraine.
Russians live in a bubble.
It cannot be broken unless the idea of empire collapses, thanks to a military defeat
”, hammered Garry Kasparov, who left Russia ten years ago.
According to him, "
the war will be lost when they are aware that they are losing the war
", and not according to gains and losses of territories.
He thus called on Westerners to continue their aid: “
No expenditure is excessive for Ukraine
”.
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"
What is to be feared is a de-escalation
" and that Kiev's allies relax their efforts, added Mikhail Khodorkovsky, imprisoned between 2003 and 2013 after having been one of the richest men in Russia.
“
A rewrite of history
”
Irina Scherbakova, whose NGO Memorial, which aimed in particular to document the crimes of Stalinism, was dissolved at the end of 2021, said she too shared this vision of a Ukrainian victory essential for democratic change.
"
It's a tragic period, it's painful to hear for Ukrainians because they pay with their blood but (...) to go on the streets in Russia, you have to be very brave," she said
. to be worth.
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She warned of the "
pure manipulation
" she said was going on in Russia.
"
There is a rewriting of History
" because the Russians do not "
feel the need to confront the crimes committed in the past
", at the time of the USSR.
“
One of the mistakes after the fall of the USSR was that there was not enough effort to explain to people what democracy means
,” explained Ianna Nemtsova.
"
For a possible Russian democratic future, you have to talk to Russian society: the majority of them are neutral, don't care about Ukraine, think they can't have influence, so they go down arms
,” she described.
"
Our biggest mission is to help them reflect on the atrocities committed in Ukraine
."