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Luise (12) killed: Freudenberg shocked by the wave of hatred – families of the perpetrators leave their place of residence

2023-03-20T09:56:34.414Z


Luise (12) from Freudenberg is said to have been stabbed by two children. The police are holding back on many details. The murder weapon is still missing. The news ticker.


Luise (12) from Freudenberg is said to have been stabbed by two children.

The police are holding back on many details.

The murder weapon is still missing.

The news ticker.

  • "

    The

    girls

    are

    fair game"

    : wave of hatred hits Freudenberg hard

  • Modern

    Witch

    Hunt

    ” – Detectives strongly condemn activities on social media

  • Violent crimes

    against

    Luise

    (12)

    shocked

    : What is known about the case and the motive?

  • This 

    news ticker

     on the case of Luise in 

    Freudenberg

     (NRW) is 

    updated

    regularly .

Update from March 17, 12:44 p.m

.: Next Wednesday there will be a commemoration for Luise who was killed in the comprehensive school in Freudenberg.

On Saturday, the family published an obituary in the

Siegener Zeitung

.

"Anyone who would like to participate is invited to the auditorium of the Esther Bejarano Comprehensive School," it says.

“There are no words to comprehend the incomprehensible.

For us, the world stands still, ”is written next to a photo of the girl who died violently about a week ago.

There will also be a commemoration “in close personal circles” at a local church on March 22 at 6:00 p.m.

"We ask for your understanding that the family and friends would like to accompany Luise there in peace on her last trip." A police spokesman said that they wanted to use the church to ensure that the funeral service was not disturbed.

Media lawyer criticizes the decision of the public prosecutor's office - the debate continues on social networks

Update from March 17, 12:07 p.m .:

A week after Luise’s death, the discussion on social networks revolves around the two confessed perpetrators.

According to information from the

editorial network Germany,

they have left the city of Freudenberg with their families.

Demands for a change in criminal law or a briefing for the two alleged perpetrators in the social networks continue on Saturday.

It is worrying that the photos of the children will also be published on individual profiles in connection with this.

The public prosecutor had announced that he did not want to disclose any further details about the motives behind the crime.

For days, however, there has been speculation on social networks about the background to the crime, how the alleged perpetrators and their victim were related, what happened in the hours after the crime – and what happened beforehand.

A lawyer clearly criticizes the fact that the public prosecutor's office still wants to remain silent about the facts.

Videos with the identity of the alleged perpetrators continue on tiktok

Update from March 17, 7:35 a.m .

: The two alleged perpetrators in the case of the killed Luise from Freudenberg are minors.

According to the

NDR media magazine Zapp,

videos about their identity can still be found on the

tiktok

platform .

“The alleged perpetrators are 12 and 13 years old and therefore underage and not criminally responsible.

TikTok and its users don't seem to care: the algorithm even seems to prioritize some of the questionable videos, some of which now have 1.5 million views," the magazine wrote on Twitter on Friday

evening

.

In response to an

NDR

request ,

tiktok

said that additional resources would be used to remove critical terms from searches, but did not provide any further details.

The content can still be found.

As a platform operator, tiktok

is

actually obliged to “delete illegal content as soon as you become aware of it.

Luise case in Freudenberg: media lawyer criticizes the public prosecutor's decision on the motive for the crime

Update from March 17, 5:10 p.m .:

After the fatal violent crime against 12-year-old Luise in Freudenberg, the public prosecutor announced that it would not publish any information about the crime and motive.

The statement is now met with criticism.

"I don't think it is viable not to provide information about the motives and what happened even after the proceedings have been completed.

The act is too spectacular for that,” said media lawyer Prof. Tobias Gostomzyk from the TU Dortmund to the

German Press Agency

.

According to the media lawyer, the alleged perpetrators must be protected, especially since they are minors.

However, this “cannot rule out any information here, especially since they have already been admitted,” he said.

Not revealing any details about the perpetrators and protecting their identities is fully justified.

The situation is different, however, with information about the crime.

"I don't think that would stand up in court because the act is so shocking and unique - so the public interest is significant.

It is therefore not justified to withhold any information about it, provided that personal rights are adequately protected.”

Freudenberg shocked by hate wave – families of the perpetrators leave their place of residence

Update from March 17, 12:49 p.m

.: The two alleged perpetrators left their place of residence in Freudenberg together with their families.

The district administrator of Siegen-Wittgenstein, Andreas Müller, confirmed this to the

editorial network Germany on Thursday.

“We have made a corresponding offer for joint accommodation.

The offer was accepted,” said District Administrator Andreas Müller.

The measure is voluntary.

Coercive measures against the family of the alleged perpetrators are not possible.

The affected families of the underage suspects needed intensive support, said the district of Siegen-Wittgenstein.

It had already been said before that contact with the family was very important for the development of successful support due to the young age of the girls and was supported.

After rumors and threats in the Luise case: the confessing girls' social media accounts were closed

Update from March 17, 10:41 a.m .

: "Social media channels known to us were closed by order of the public prosecutor's office," said a spokesman for the Siegen-Wittgenstein police on Friday, according to the dpa news agency.

The Siegener Zeitung

had previously

reported on the deletion of Instagram and TikTok accounts.

In social networks, there had been numerous speculations on the profiles of partly anonymous users, as well as threats and hatred against the suspects.

According to the police, it is constantly being checked whether anything criminally relevant is being posted.

The two girls had confessed to having stabbed Luise to death in a wooded area on March 11.

Freudenberg: The police and public prosecutors are going on the offensive against false reports

Update from March 17, 9:39 a.m

.: Police and prosecutors expressly warn against speculation and false reports in the Luise case.

"Due to the broad public interest and the associated sympathy, rumors about the alleged background of the incident keep coming up," said the Siegen-Wittgenstein district police authority on Friday.

"Apparently, there is speculation, especially on social media, that does not match the current status of the investigation." The investigating authorities expressly ask not to take part in it "and the discussions about the background to the incident, also to protect the relatives, not to fuel".  

Even if the public was very interested in information, the investigating authorities could not publish any detailed information "due to the protection of all personal rights".

Luise (12) killed by girls: "The girls are fair game" - the wave of hatred hits Freudenberg hard

Update from March 17, 6:44 a.m .:

The mayor of Freudenberg speaks of great dismay in the village after Luise’s death, but also of great cohesion.

"Everyone is hit and affected," said Nicole Reschke of the

Siegener Zeitung

.

The whole week she takes care of the people, the everyday business rests.

"The negative tends to come from the outside," she says.

Reschke also means the many hateful comments on social media.

"I get sick of all the things there are to read." For this reason, she also decided against a digital book of condolences.

She understands that there is great interest in the Luise case, but some things go too far for her.

What some reporters allow themselves is out of the question, said the mayor, who is a trained journalist herself.

It is not acceptable that reporters go from door to door and ring the bell, nor that "journalists are suddenly standing in the middle of the school building."

There is also sharp criticism that the social media accounts of the two suspected girls were deleted late.

Within a few hours, videos shared by the 13-year-old on TikTok contained hundreds of questionable comments, including hate, revenge or threats of violence.

"It has taken on a dynamic, precisely because it is such an emotional case," says Josephine Ballon from the "Hate Aid" project, which deals with hate speech on the Internet, the RedaktionsNetzwerk

Deutschland

(RND).

"The girls are fair game."

There is nothing wrong with expressing your dismay or condolences online, Ballon said.

That's why you don't have to "completely destroy two human lives that weren't normal anyway, publicly and across Germany."

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Luise was only twelve years old.

There are flowers and candles at the site where her body was found to commemorate the student.

© Ina Fassbender/afp/Police

Luise (12) killed by girls: "It's a shock" – the suspects' social media accounts were deleted

Update from March 16, 7:36 p.m .:

The death of 12-year-old Luise does not let go of Freudenberg.

The fact that two girls (12, 13), almost the same age, confessed to the crime stunned the residents of the town in North Rhine-Westphalia.

"It is unimaginable for all of us that something like this can happen in our tranquil Freudenberg.

Everyone knows everyone here, it's a shock," a local pensioner told Bild

:

"The fact that children can also be considered perpetrators is doubly shocking.

That girls are capable of killing a classmate and friend.

Inconceivably."

"It's terrible, you can hardly take it," the tabloid quoted an older woman as saying: "You can't understand that these are still children who do something like this.

You can't get that out of your head.” One student said, “Such acts happen in the big cities, not in our country.”

After the death of Luise from Freudenberg: the police have the perpetrators' social media accounts deleted

Update from March 16, 4:50 p.m .:

After killing 12-year-old Luise, the Siegen police had the social media accounts of the two alleged perpetrators removed.

District Administrator Andreas Müller confirmed this to the Siegener Zeitung: "We have arranged for the respective platform operators to delete the data.

They reacted quickly there.” As the

SZ

reported, it should be a matter of TikTok and Instagram accounts.

Meanwhile, a petition was handed over to a relevant committee of the Bundestag.

It is entitled "Condemn Luise's murderers!

Change the age of criminal responsibility in Germany!”.

Around 38,000 people had signed the petition by Wednesday afternoon (as of 3 p.m.).

After Luise's death: Authorities remain silent about the motive of the suspects

Update from March 16, 2:49 p.m .:

Almost a week after the violent death of the 12-year-old girl from Freudenberg near Siegen (North Rhine-Westphalia), people are trying to find a way to deal with the fact.

Authorities continue to say nothing about the widespread speculation about the motives of the two 12 and 13-year-old girls who confessed to the crime.

At Luise's school, classes cautiously returned to regular classes on Thursday after three days of mourning.

Meanwhile, the police are increasingly dealing with hate postings about the case on the Internet.

Numerous speculations, threats and hatred against the 12- and 13-year-old alleged perpetrators were published on social networks by partly anonymous users.

"If you look for the hashtags, you'll find a lot," said a spokesman for the Siegen-Wittgenstein police.

"We monitor this and constantly check whether anything criminally relevant is being posted."

After Luise's death: the suspect's parents left Freudenberg

Update from March 16, 12:48 p.m .

: In Freudenberg (17,000 inhabitants) nothing is like it used to be.

The act of violence against Luise (12) is stunned.

On March 11, 2023, Luise was allegedly stabbed to death by two classmates in a forest.

The two girls (12 and 13) confessed to the crime.

The parents of the alleged suspects initially left Freudenberg, reports

WDR

.

Your current whereabouts would remain secret.

The two alleged perpetrators are "accommodated outside the home environment," said the Siegen-Wittgenstein district on Wednesday.

However, the parents have contact with their children.

Many questions in the Luise case remain unanswered - search for murder weapon stopped

Update from March 16, 12:03 p.m

.: Luise’s death leaves you speechless.

On the other hand, there are still many unanswered questions.

The murder weapon has not yet been found

(see also update from March 15, 2:48 p.m.)

.

The search for the murder weapon has now been stopped, reports the

Siegener Zeitung,

citing the Siegen public prosecutor's office (NRW).

Despite an enormous effort, the search measures had not led to any results so far, said senior public prosecutor Patrick Baron von Grotthuss, spokesman for the Siegen public prosecutor's office.

The search for the murder weapon was stopped due to a lack of prospects of success.

So it's supposed to be a knife.

Where the murder weapon is located cannot be precisely defined and the local conditions are extremely adverse.

'Modern Witch Hunt' - Detectives strongly condemn social media activities

Update from March 16, 8:29 a.m

.: The case of the killed Luise is shocking.

The alleged perpetrators are not criminally responsible for reasons of age (12 and 13) and cannot be charged.

To do this, the personal rights of the two girls and their families must be protected.

But all three went to the same school.

Names and photos that are said to belong to the two suspects spread on social media.

Especially on the TikTok placeform.

The Federal Chairman of the Association of German Criminal Investigators (BDK), Dirk Peglow, warned against sharing pictures, names or alleged social media profiles of the suspected Freudenberg perpetrators on the Internet.

"The distribution of personal data or pictures of alleged suspects by private individuals in social media represents a modern form of witch hunts," Peglow told the

editorial network Germany

(

RND

).

Update from March 16, 6:23 a.m .

: After three days of mourning and time for discussions, lessons are to take place again for the first time on Thursday, March 16, 2023 according to the timetable at the school of the killed Luise.

Psychologists and experts from the district government are still working at the school, said Christoph Söbbeler, spokesman for the responsible Arnsberg district government on Wednesday. 

The death of Luise from Freudenberg is difficult to understand and extraordinary.

Two girls aged 12 and 13 confessed to stabbing Luise (12).

At the scene of the crime in a remote valley on the border of North Rhine-Westphalia and Rhineland-Palatinate, the flowers and candles that had been laid down were wrapped in a white blanket on Wednesday morning: snow had fallen during the night.

He gave something peaceful to the place where the cruel act took place.

After the death of Luise (12): School slowly returns to classes

Update from March 15, 8:43 p.m

.: At the school of the killed 12-year-old Luise in Freudenberg near Siegen (North Rhine-Westphalia), the classes should gradually return to class on Thursday (March 16) according to the timetable.

For three days, the students and teachers took the time to talk and mourn the crime.

This process is far from over, said the spokesman for the responsible Arnsberg district government, Christoph Söbbeler, on Wednesday.

Nevertheless, the way back to normal school operations should gradually be taken.

"But there's no pressure at all," he said.

Where students still want to have conversations, regular classes take a backseat.

Psychologists and experts from the district government are still working at the school.

They conducted one-on-one discussions and also support the teachers in starting good conversations with their classes and responding to the students' emotions.

Update from March 15, 8:14 p.m

.: In the case of the killed twelve-year-old Luise, the State Youth Welfare Office of North Rhine-Westphalia has no procedure ready for dealing with the alleged perpetrators.

"There has never been a case like this and accordingly we have no standard procedure for it," said a spokesman for the authorities on Wednesday in Cologne.

The local youth welfare office must find a solution on its own initiative - with or against the parents of the girls who confess.

"The case is so special that there is no procedure for it," said the spokesman.

After the death of Luise (12): Alleged perpetrators need protection

Update from March 15, 5:28 p.m

.: The death of Luise from Freudenberg (NRW) leaves you speechless.

Two girls, one 12 and the other 13, confessed to stabbing Luise.

Child violence is difficult to understand.

The two alleged perpetrators now need care and protection, "even if that might contradict the first impulse you have," explains Jan Oude-Aost, a specialist in child and adolescent psychiatry, in an interview with 24RHEIN from

IPPEN.MEDIA

.

No further trace of the murder weapon: search at the scene of the crime has so far been unsuccessful

Update from March 15, 2:48 p.m .

: There is still no trace of the murder weapon in the case of Luise who was killed, as the Koblenz public prosecutor announced on Wednesday.

More than 30 police forces combed the area at the crime scene in the border area of ​​Rhineland-Palatinate and North Rhine-Westphalia on Tuesday.

"The search for the murder weapon has so far been unsuccessful," says a statement from the Koblenz public prosecutor's office.

Further information on the exact course of events, the identity of the suspected children, their current whereabouts and any further measures or a possible motive could not be published at the moment, even if asked.

The public prosecutor's office refers to the privacy protection of the victim's family and the underage suspects.

The public prosecutor's office in Koblenz also announced that the public prosecutor's office in Siegen (NRW) took over the further investigation because the two suspected children lived in North Rhine-Westphalia.

The crime scene principle no longer applies, but due to the age of the perpetrators, the seat of the responsible youth welfare office in Siegen-Wittgenstein. 

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Great sadness after Luise's death: "Stunned - speechless - helpless" can be read on one page of a condolence book.

© Roberto Pfeil/dpa

Freudenberg: Luise (12) and her perpetrators were apparently good friends

Update from March 15, 1:26 p.m .

: After the death of twelve-year-old Luise, psychologists and experts at the school support the teachers in discussions with the children and young people.

Normal classes are not yet taking place again, said Christoph Söbbeler, spokesman for the responsible Arnsberg district government.

"At the moment, the school is the place where exchange and mourning are possible for the students." After it became known that Luise was probably stabbed by two 12- and 13-year-old girls from her circle of acquaintances, the need for discussion was again big, said Soebbeler.

According to media reports, the alleged perpetrators are said to have gone to the same school.

The two students (12 and 13) knew Luise well.

According to ntv and picture,

there is even talk

of "girlfriends" .

Investigators are keeping quiet about why the deadly argument between the three girls broke out on Saturday to protect the minors.

Update from March 15, 12:28 p.m

.: Police forces searched for the murder weapon on Tuesday.

Officially, the investigators have not yet received any information about the discovery of a murder weapon.

Apparently it should be a nail file, reports the

Siegener Zeitung,

citing investigators.

So far, no murder weapon has been found.

The chief public prosecutor in Koblenz Mario Mannweiler informed the newspaper.

After the death of Luise (12) - the public prosecutor comments on the motive of the alleged perpetrators

First report from March 15, 2023

Freudenberg/Koblenz – The death of Luise (12) from Freudenberg (North Rhine-Westphalia) stunned many people.

First, the twelve-year-old disappeared without a trace on the way home to her parents' house.

Her body was found in a wooded area near a railway tunnel on Sunday.

The location was not on the way home.

The police are assuming a homicide.

Two days later, more shocking news follows: two girls aged 12 and 13 are said to have stabbed Luise with a knife.

The two girls cannot be punished.

Criminal law does not apply to suspected perpetrators that young.

Violent crimes against Luise (12) from Freudenberg shocked: What is known about the case and the motive?

The investigating authorities are holding back in the Luise case.

The alleged perpetrators must be protected - precisely because they are still children themselves, emphasized the chief public prosecutor in Koblenz, Mario Mannweiler, at a press conference on Tuesday.

The two girls are said to have killed Luise with "numerous stab wounds".

The 12-year-old died from the blood loss that followed, according to the results of the autopsy.

The investigators tracked down the two suspected girls through contradictions in their statements.

When they were questioned again, the children were confronted with it on Monday.

Eventually they confessed to the crime.

Regarding the motive of the two girls, Mannweiler said: "What children may have as a motive for an act might not be apparent to an adult." “.

It is also unclear whether the police found the murder weapon.

Investigators searched the scene again Tuesday morning.

Case Luise from Freudenberg: What is known about the two suspected girls?

According to the investigators, the two suspected girls should come from Luise's circle of acquaintances.

Whether from the family environment or from school was not mentioned.

The authorities had not noticed the two beforehand.

Killed Luise: Suspect girls handed over to the youth welfare office

The suspect girls are currently not with their parents, but "outside the home environment", said the responsible district of Siegen-Wittgenstein.

"This is also linked to the fact that the children do not attend their previous schools." Because of their young age, the girls have contact with their families.  

"Because of the young age of the girls, contact with the family is very important for the development of successful support and is supported in this respect," the district said.

For the two suspects, it is also a “very unusual situation that requires a lot of empathy and prudent action,” said district youth department head Thomas Wüst.

The group is also in contact with the family of the 12-year-old who died.

"As soon as Luise's family wants it, the district youth welfare office is always available to support the family," said the district administration.

The youth welfare office that was turned on could order measures for educational assistance, said lawyer Arndt Kempgens according

to

wa.de.

In addition, the family background would be examined.

The alleged perpetrators are threatened with placement in child and adolescent psychiatry with the approval of a family court.

According to Section 1631b of the German Civil Code, this takes place "if this is necessary for the child's well-being, in particular to prevent significant harm to oneself or others, and the danger cannot be countered in any other way," explains lawyer Arndt Kempgens.

Some parents in the small town were extremely unsettled by this fact.

A father reported that he would no longer let his children go to school alone.

Luise (12) from Freudenberg did not arrive home on Saturday evening (March 11, 2023) after visiting a friend.

You can read about the events here.

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Source: merkur

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