After Bayern's change mistake: SC Freiburg files an appeal against the game rating
Created: 04/05/2022, 07:50
By: Patrick Mayer, Lucas Sauter-Orengo, Christoph Gschoßmann
FC Bayern's change glitch caused heated discussions in the Bundesliga.
SC Freiburg has now lodged an objection.
Munich substitution mistake:
FC Bayern was briefly on the pitch against SC Freiburg with twelve men - that could have serious consequences.
(see first report)
The Badeners lodge an objection to the game evaluation.
(see update from April 4, 6:15 p.m.)
This
news ticker about Bayern's Bundesliga change error
is continuously updated.
Update from April 5, 7:47 a.m .:
FC Bayern and its change drama in Freiburg: how is it going now?
We have summarized some questions and answers:
What the DFB Sports Court is: The DFB Sports Court is the association’s first authority under sports law.
It is responsible for violations by clubs, players, coaches, officials and referees against legal regulations of the DFB and DFL in connection with national games.
In addition, there are other responsibilities, such as for objections to the game rating of national games or for financial disputes on the occasion of the staging of national games, according to the DFB website.
FC Bayern change mistakes in Freiburg: who decides now?
Who decides on SC Freiburg's appeal: Stephan Oberholz is the chairman of the DFB sports court.
The man from Leipzig was named as the successor to Hans E. Lorenz at the DFB Bundestag last month.
Oberholz also presided over the proceedings regarding the abandonment of the match between VfL Bochum and Borussia Mönchengladbach after assistant referee Christian Gittelmann was injured by a cup thrown.
In addition to Oberholz, another 35 members belong to the sports court.
How to proceed: The competent DFB sports court will now first obtain statements from those involved in the proceedings.
After the comments have been received and evaluated, the committee will decide on the further progress of the procedure.
The association did not provide any information about the period.
The procedure can be negotiated both in writing and orally.
What other instances are there: Within a week of the verdict being announced, there is the possibility of an appeal.
This would then be heard in federal court.
Its judgment is final within the association.
Achim Späth has been the chairman of the DFB Federal Court since 2013.
Update from April 4th, 10:55 p.m
.: SC Freiburg filed an appeal against the game rating after FC Bayern’s change mistake.
What Munich expects after the protest.
Who decides.
And how to proceed now.
An overview (see link).
Update from April 4, 9:10 p.m .:
SC Freiburg appeals against FC Bayern’s Bundesliga victory because of the Munich change error.
The German record champion expresses himself for the first time.
Change error of FC Bayern Munich: SC Freiburg justifies its objection
Update from April 4, 7:30 p.m .:
After FC Bayern’s change mistake in the Bundesliga on Saturday, SC Freiburg justified its objection to the game rating (4: 1 for Munich) in a message on Monday evening.
“Those responsible at the Sport-Club Freiburg eV discussed in an intensive and extremely differentiated process how to proceed after FC Bayern Munich made a mistake in the Bundesliga game last Saturday.
All aspects that can be important in the context of overall responsibility for the club, especially in economic, sporting and legal terms, were examined and discussed intensively."
The sports club spoke of a “non-culpable dilemma.
SC Freiburg had no part or influence on the events surrounding the change process.
Nevertheless, the legal and procedural order of the DFB formally forces us to play an active role in order to have the processes legally checked, ”explained.
The following points in particular were decisive for the decision per objection:
Creation of the opportunity for the sports court to evaluate and answer the questions that have arisen here about the mistake made by FC Bayern Munich in terms of sports law.
Creation of future legal certainty in comparable cases for other clubs as well.
Consistent action by SC Freiburg in the event of rule violations, regardless of the specific competitive situation.
Assumption of overall responsibility for the club in economic and sporting terms, taking into account the interests of stakeholders.
Legal prospects of success in sports court proceedings in connection with the existing duties of loyalty of the board to the club and liability issues.
FC Bayern change mistake: SC Freiburg appeals against game rating
Update from April 4th, 6:15 p.m .:
Bundesliga leaders Bayern Munich have to tremble for the three points after the change in the 4: 1 against SC Freiburg on the green table.
The people of Breisgau filed an objection to the rating of the game on Monday shortly before the deadline, and the sports court of the German Football Association (DFB) must now decide on the possible consequences.
However, the chances of success of the protest are uncertain.
Even experts disagree on the applicable regulations, both the pure application of the football rules of the DFB and the use of the legal and procedural rules of the association would be possible.
The decisive factor would probably be the assessment of the sports court as to whether Coman, as the twelfth man on the field at this moment, is considered a player who is not eligible to play or be used.
The Frenchman didn't leave the field in time for a double substitution in the 86th minute, so the Munich team played with one man for 16 seconds.
Even with a point deduction, the record champions in the table would still have a six-point lead over the closest pursuer, Borussia Dortmund.
If the points were awarded, Freiburg would catch up to RB Leipzig in fourth place in the Champions League.
Need for discussion: Representatives of SC Freiburg and FC Bayern after the error in the Bundesliga game.
© dpa-Bildfunk
Update from April 4, 5:25 p.m .:
FC Bayern’s change mistake is a topic of conversation in the Bundesliga.
SC Freiburg hesitates with an official protest - because of Uli Hoeneß?
An incident from 2005 is now known.
FC Bayern change mistake: no legal aftermath for SC Freiburg
Update from April 4, 4:35 p.m .:
Those responsible for the Bundesliga soccer club SC Freiburg are unlikely to face legal consequences if they refrain from protesting about the mistake made by FC Bayern Munich.
"There is no legal relationship between the club and its fans on the basis of which the fan could claim damages or other legal claims against those responsible on the grounds that the club did not do everything possible to concede three points at the green table.
I think that's out of the question," said Fabian Reinholz, partner at the law firm Härting Rechtsanwälte, on Monday of the German Press Agency (dpa).
The situation between the club and sponsors is similar, said Reinholz.
"Even from the contracts with the sponsors, the sponsors should not be entitled to compensation if the club decides against an objection.
The sponsor gets an advertising space and pays for it.
Regardless of whether the club receives three points less or more.
It is a purely sporting decision of the club whether to take legal action or not.
The people of Freiburg are not responsible,” said Reinholz.
He also considers the possible fact of infidelity on the part of the management to be impossible.
FC Bayern change mistakes: Probably no consequences for referee Christian Dingert
Update from April 4, 3:15 p.m .:
There should be no personal consequences for referee Christian Dingert after FC Bayern Munich made a mistake in the Bundesliga game at SC Freiburg.
“I would find it fatal as a message.
You have to realize now: There was a mistake, everyone has a part in it," said Lutz Michael Fröhlich, chief referee at the German Football Association, at a media workshop on Monday.
Fröhlich named Dingert, the fourth official (Arno Blos) and the Bayern team manager (Kathleen Krüger) as involved.
In the 4-1 victory of the Bundesliga leaders on Saturday in Freiburg, Munich were on the pitch for a few seconds at a score of 3-1 for a few seconds before referee Dingert interrupted the match.
The wrong shirt number had previously been displayed when Kingsley Coman was substituted.
The Frenchman probably didn't feel addressed and initially didn't leave the field after a double substitution.
"In the course of the process there were errors that were on the referee's side," confirmed Fröhlich again.
For example, the missing check-up after the change and before the game resumes.
The referees are also required to ensure that if there are several changes within an interruption, as in this case, they are carried out one after the other.
"You have to work through it in peace," said Fröhlich.
This is also happening at the current training course for DFB top referees in Potsdam, in which 41-year-old Dingert from Lebecksmühle is also taking part.
SC Freiburg has until midnight this Monday to appeal against the game rating.
Club officials are reviewing an appeal.
FC Bayern change mistake: SC Freiburg's deadline expires at midnight
Update from April 4, 10:18 a.m .:
SC Freiburg must finally decide on an appeal after Bayern Munich made a mistake on Monday.
As the German Football Association (DFB) confirmed to the SID request, the deadline for a protest expires at midnight.
Until then, Bayern will have to tremble for their victory.
The DFB sports court would only be active if there was an objection from the people of Breisgau, otherwise the score of 1:4 (0:0) remains.
The SC had not commented on Sunday's SID request for further action, instead those responsible for intensive consultations withdrew.
Sports director Jochen Saier said immediately after the game on Sky that the Freiburg team would first "cook it down" and then "think about it".
Effenberg on Schlotterbeck: "Then he would have been really smart"
Update from April 3, 3:53 p.m .:
In the debate about the Bayern change error in the Sport1 double pass, several experts assumed that Freiburg Schlotterbeck was not clever in the situation.
From a Freiburg point of view, it would have been wiser for ex-Bayern star Stefan Effenberg to tell referee Dingert later that Bayern Munich had one more man on the field: "Had Schlotterbeck not alerted the referee, we would have talked about the situation differently .
Then he would have been really smart..."
Effenberg continued: "The game would have continued and then we're no longer talking about 17 seconds, but maybe about one or the other dangerous situation."
Former Leverkusen manager Reiner Calmund made a similar statement.
The Freiburger is "a good player and an intelligent boy".
That's why he could have said, "Let's just keep going instead of complaining.
That's a smart kid.
I would have believed that too, with only one goal difference: I won't get in touch."
Vortex in Breisgau: In the game between SC Freiburg and FC Bayern Munich, twelve Bayern players were on the pitch at one point.
© IMAGO/Press photo Rudel/Robin Rudel
Update from April 3, 1:18 p.m .:
For veteran Nils Petersen and SC Freiburg, Bayern’s change mistake initially pushed the bitter 1: 4 home defeat to the sidelines.
"There's a lot of turmoil here, and that's why we're all very, very excited to see what's going to happen.
But we are not lawyers either," said the 33-year-old professional Petersen on Sunday on the Sky TV channel.
There is still time "to lodge a protest.
The phones will be glowing hot here in the stadium today, and then you'll have to decide what's the right thing to do."
FC Bayern: Exchange breakdown against SC Freiburg – Petersen expresses himself
The whole thing is "of course the number one topic in the dressing room".
He also didn't notice the majority of Munich after the double change, said 1-1 goalscorer Petersen.
"If Nico Schlotterbeck hadn't said anything, we probably would have continued playing like this.
How often do we play eleven against nine in training - and nothing happens?" said the SC professional and specialist for joker goals with a smile: "That's why we could have played like this longer."
Update from April 3, 11:44 a.m .: It feels like
football in Germany has only known one topic since yesterday afternoon: Bayern’s change breakdown in the game against SC Freiburg.
Ex-professional Didi Hamann also commented on the subject on the day of the game in his role as a
Sky
expert - as usual in no uncertain terms: "This is a violation of the rules.
If one goes onto the field, another has to go down.
It doesn't matter whether they play 20 seconds for 12 players or five minutes," said Hamann.
"For me, there is no question that it must be punished."
FC Bayern game revoked?
Hamann finds clear words
"It's your own fault.
If you have a coaching staff of 10 or 15 people, you have to see that there are 12 people on the pitch.” The clubs are responsible for how many players are on the pitch.
It could "be good" that Bayern will lose the points at the green table, added Hamann.
Update from April 3rd, 10:50 a.m .:
Who is responsible for the change in the game between SC Freiburg and FC Bayern?
The DFB referee chief Lutz Michael Fröhlich sees the Bayern team manager, Kathleen Krüger, as particularly responsible
(see update below)
.
Felix Zwayer, video referee during the
game, spoke on
ZDF "Sportstudio" on Saturday evening.
For him, the faux pas is a chain of events that led to the well-known result.
FC Bayern: game against Freiburg revoked?
Zweier has a clear opinion
"The players also follow the game," explained Zwayer: "If you play outnumbered, you will certainly notice it." When asked about the responsibility for the error, Zwayer said: "In fact, in this case it was a chain." Manager Krüger initially displayed a wrong number, "Nevertheless, it is of course the responsibility of the referee team to make the change in accordance with the rules," Zwayer added.
"In practice, the way things are handled is that the task is left to the fourth official."
"In fact, it's something that a sports court would clarify," continued Zwayer, who considers it unlikely that the result would be withdrawn afterwards.
After all, Coman was “a fundamentally eligible player”.
"From my point of view, this cannot be compared to a situation in which a player is not in the match report."
Update from April 3, 8:37 a.m.:
How could it even come to the situation that FC Bayern was in the meantime with twelve men on Freiburger Platz?
The referee of the game, Christian Dingert, commented on
Sport1
and sees the blame for Bayern team manager Kathleen Krüger "The player Coman with the number 11 did not feel addressed at the moment.
In a clarification between Bayern and the fourth official, it was then neglected that the player Coman left the field," explained the referee.
FC Bayern game against Freiburg revoked?
Referee boss turns on
Update from April 3rd, 8.15 a.m .:
Is the game between SC Freiburg and Bayern not counted?
(See first report)
For a brief moment, the record champions had been on the pitch with twelve men - the faux pas has occupied the football republic ever since.
DFB referee boss Lutz Michael Fröhlich has now spoken out: "It would have been good if they had checked again before the game continued.
That would have been the best thing for the referee," said Fröhlich of the
German Press Agency.
Cheerfully, what happened on Saturday would have been avoidable.
The situations will be worked up internally, Fröhlich continues: “It has something to do with concentration and an overview.
We have to talk to the referees about this again internally.”
First report from April 2, 2022
Freiburg/Munich - It was probably the strangest scene of Bayern's victory in Freiburg: Kingsley Coman was substituted in the 86th minute, and Marcel Sabitzer was to replace him for the last few minutes.
Niklas Süle also came for Corentin Tolisso.
Nothing unusual in itself - but Coman hadn't realized that he had to go out.
FC Bayern played 12 players for 17 seconds until the misunderstanding was cleared up after minutes of discussion about referee Christian Dingert.
The game (live ticker to read) was continued with a referee ball.
Sky referee expert Alexander Feuerherdt from "Collinas Erben" spoke about possible consequences after the game.
But Bayern don't have to fear losing a point - if it's up to him.
Feuerherdt: "I can't imagine that.
Did something happen in the 20 seconds that would have had an impact?
It wasn't like that.
If a goal had been scored, it would have been different.
There must have been some discrepancy in the referee team.”
FC Bayern wins in Freiburg: "Sabitzer was on the field, although Coman hasn't gone down yet"
Feuerherdt continues: "Sabitzer was on the field, although Coman hasn't gone down yet.
One could discuss whether someone would then get a yellow card (votes on the game).”
Sky
expert Didi Hamann contradicted him: "I see it differently.
It doesn't matter how long Bayern was twelve.
In fact, this is a violation of the rules.
I don't know why someone goes up there without someone going down.
But what should the referee have done?
The sports court has to regulate the rest.
It is a breach of the rules that the sports court must punish - in whatever way."
What do the statutes say?
According to paragraph 17 paragraph 4 of the legal and procedural regulations of the German Football Association (DFB), the error could have consequences for the rating of the game.
"If a player was not eligible to play or field a game in a game, the team that culpably fielded that player lost the game 2-0 and the opponent won 2-0, unless that The game had not yet been continued by the referee after the player who was not eligible to play or used the game," it said.
Does Freiburg protest?
Theoretically, FC Bayern is threatened with an aftermath
A prerequisite for losing a point would be a protest from Freiburg, for which the SC now has two days.
"We drew the referee's attention to the fact that Bayern has eleven field players on the field," said Freiburg's sports director Jochen Saier on Sky: "That was bizarre, I've never seen it like that.
He could not judge the consequences.
Now we all need to calm down and think about it for a bit.”
Dingert also said: "It was a totally confused situation: It was a double change from Bayern Munich.
An incorrect number was initially displayed, which is why the player Coman did not feel addressed with the number eleven.
That's why a twelfth player was on the field for a short time, which shouldn't be.
We noticed and then stopped the game.
We then consulted each other, and then we continued with a referee ball.
It's annoying for us because of course that scene is the focus now.
We will note this in the match report.
15, 16 seconds was the game with twelve players.
No goal happened.
We will note that, everything else will be decided by the DFB.”
It wouldn't be the first time a club has been penalized for making a substitution, even this season.
Ex-VfL Wolfsburg coach Mark van Bommel had substituted six instead of five times in the second round of the cup at Preussen Münster.
The wolves were then excluded from the DFB Cup.
There were also mistakes of this kind in the Bundesliga - but mostly they had to do with contract amateurs or foreign players.
(cg with sid)
Why did the ominous (non-)double change from Freiburg come about in the first place?
Corentin Tolisso appeared to be in a hurry to leave the pitch.
