Creator of "Trust Sol": "The ending of 'Breaking Bad' is so perfect, it's dangerous to try to repeat it"

Just before the finale of "Trust Sol", Peter Gold, who created the series with Vince Gilligan and runs it alone since the third season, tells in an interview with Walla!

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08/15/2022

Monday, August 15, 2022, 5:30 p.m

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Promo for the last episodes of "Trust Sol" (AMC)

It is customary to tie all the crowns of the creation of "Trust Saul" to Vince Gilligan, the man behind the series from which it was born, "Breaking Bad".

Gilligan undoubtedly has many rights in this television universe in general and "Beside Saul" in particular, but the one who has actually run the series since the third season is Peter Gold, his co-creator and the man who wrote the character of Saul Goodman for the first time when he was injured in the second season of "Breaking Bad".

Just before the last episode of "Trust Sol" - which will be broadcast this Wednesday on Hot, Yes and Cellcom TV and on Thursday on Netflix - Gold was available for a summarizing and interesting Zoom conversation with Walla!

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He talks about storylines that didn't come to fruition, directors and actors that he would have liked to have returned but weren't available (and thus we missed more of Gale, unfortunately), as well as the huge advantage of the weekly broadcast compared to the binge, which if it weren't for him, Chuck McGill and Kim Wexler There were completely different characters.

Gould also talks about the pressure he gave up the writers felt to land this ship satisfactorily.

After all, this is the end of a very complex series, with fluctuations between different periods and many small references to another series.

This is not only the end of "Trust Sol", but of the universe that started back in 2008 with "Breaking Bad".

"Oh yes. It was a lot of sweaty palms, a lot of late nights," says Gold about the pressure.

"I felt with this show that we pushed our luck from the beginning, in some ways. Because 'Breaking Bad' did so well, I'm so proud of the way 'Breaking Bad' ended, that it seemed a little risky to try to repeat it. Which ultimately led to What makes me feel better about all of this is the fact that, in the end, I think we found the right ending for "Trust Saul." Everything else in this series is very different from "Breaking Bad," so the ending couldn't be more different from "Breaking Bad." Breaking Bad'".

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"We challenged our luck from the start with this series."

Vince Gilligan (right) and Peter Gould, creators of "Trust Sol" (Photo: GettyImages, Frederick M. Brown/Getty Images)

Are there any stories that you wanted to tell in 'Smokh on Sol' but didn't come true?

"My God, there were so many ideas, some of them were pretty silly and some of them were very dramatic. I can't reveal them all right now but we had a whole story that we did about rivals in Albuquerque setting fires so business owners could get insurance money, and we were going to call this episode "Fire Sale".

I was very passionate about it.

There was one who dealt with a gas station that was a front for crime, and we intended to call the episode 'Gas Station Zebra' as a reference to 'Ice Station Zebra' (in Hebrew, 'Zebra Station does not answer'. E.I.).

"We had so many ideas about different cases that Kim could deal with. We had a lot of scenes about Kim's background. There was a whole opening scene where Kim left her hometown, which we talked about a lot and ended up not doing. Part of the challenge is what questions You want to answer, especially when you talk about the deep emotional lives of the characters. Because in some ways, it's more interesting for viewers to put things together than for us to put everything together for them.

Sometimes I think - when you were a kid, what would you rather have under the Christmas tree: a giant box of Lego 'War The stars', or would you rather have someone put it together for you beforehand? I think it's more fun to get the Lego and put it together yourself. We really like giving the audience the pieces and letting them put them together."

"Yes, sometimes it's better to leave things to the imagination, and I think the danger, especially in the case of a prequel or a sequel, is that it can be a bit... you know, there used to be 'just-so stories' about 'where does the tiger have his buddies', and you start telling how The tiger got every little thing, what was the meaning of every little thing. At the same time, we like to look back on the story and ask ourselves what questions we are interested in. Unfortunately there are no legalities, we have to figure it out as we go."

"Yes. That's my favorite word."

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"Trust Sol" (Photo: Sony Pictures Television & AMC)

Looking back over the six seasons, is there anything you would have done differently?

"In the episodes I directed, I would definitely redo every scene, more or less, or at least re-edit them. But no, overall no, I'm very proud of the series, I think it works, it's something in itself and it feels right to me, I'd hate to start an episode Things.Regarding regrets - this occurred to me just yesterday: I wish I'd let Giancarlo Esposito and Ray Seehorn direct episodes earlier in the series, because they both turned out to be wonderful directors.

"By the way, there are directors we had in certain seasons that we couldn't bring back, and if I could, I would bring back Adam Bernstein (who directed, among other things, 'Five-O', Mike's episode from the first season, and the end of the fourth season) for more episodes. ) and Rissa Konderky (who directed two episodes in the first seasons, one of which is 'Fifi' which opens with a 4.5 minute shot at the border crossing. P.S.), and many other wonderful directors who were simply too busy to return to Albuquerque and devote a lot of time to directing one of our crazy episodes" .

"The idea was that he's a fan, that he's almost an autograph hunter. He might seem intimidating when you first meet him, but once Gene realizes who he is and what he's up to, he's able to come out on top. Of course, Don Harvey who originally played Jeff is an actor Great, but he wasn't available to us again. I can't tell you how many times we've played that game, where we have a player come in and do something and then two seasons later (he's not available to us).

"David Costabile, who played Gale, is a great example of that. We always planned for him to come back, and David is very, very, busy, so it was always a challenge (to bring him back) and we always really almost succeeded, until finally we got David again. This time we really wanted the Don, of course, but our luck ran out. Actually maybe it didn't run out, because I thought Pat Healy was terrific and fun in the role. I don't know, I don't think we changed his character. It's one thing to meet some guy on the street and he can be very challenging, but When you find out he lives with his elderly mother and his mother still makes him dinner every night, he might seem a little less threatening."

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The restraint makes her fascinating.

Ray Seehorn as Kim Wexler, "Trust Saul" (Photo: Greg Lewis/AMC/Sony Pictures Television)

Great pride in his morality.

Michael McCain as Chuck, "Trust Saul" (Photo: AMC)

Peter Gold, creator of "Trust Soul", at the 2022 Tribeca Film Festival (Photo: GettyImages) The example that always comes to my mind, and it turns out that this is one of the most interesting and exciting creative experiences I've ever had, was the evolution of the character of Chuck McGill, played by Michael McCain"

You've talked before about the benefits of a weekly release that allows you to continue writing the end of the season while filming the first episode is underway, so there's an option to change things if necessary.

Can you give an example of something that would be different if you had to write an entire season before filming begins?

"Well, in the case of the current season, we wrote everything in advance. Because of the corona virus, this is the only season where the writers' room was closed before we started filming, and I don't think the season suffered from that, but the previous seasons did suffer. The example that always comes to my mind, and it comes up because it is one of the experiences The most interesting and exciting creativity I have ever experienced was the evolution of the character of Chuck McGill, played by Michael McCain.

"Chuck's original idea, the drive to create him, was to humanize Jimmy. Because our concern was: How do you make Saul Goodman vulnerable. He seems so happy in his place, so what's the difference between Saul Goodman and Jimmy McGill? And we decided , well, let's give him a brother, we need him to have someone who cares about him, someone who is maybe a little vulnerable or a burden. And that was really the idea, for him to be a little bit of a burden on Jimmy and an outlet for his emotional life.

"I wrote the first scene starring him, and I thought A lot about intellectually impressive people I knew, especially when I was a kid.

You know, he speaks Latin, the man is clearly very focused and brilliant.

Those things were on the page, but what wasn't on the page and maybe should have been obvious to me, and then dawned on me the moment I saw Michael play the part, was how much pride he had in himself and in his moral behavior, in addition to his intellectual pride.

"I thought it was great, and once I got back into the writers' room I said, 'Wait a minute—we thought about what Chuck meant to Jimmy, but what does Jimmy mean to Chuck?' And that's what we started to realize, that Jimmy in some ways He's a complete embarrassment to Chuck, for a lot of reasons. For starters, Chuck's a bit intellectually pretentious, and he's obviously been raised in a working-class environment, his parents run a little corner store, and Jimmy is maybe a bit of a reminder of where he came from.

" But more than that, Jimmy is just the guy that everyone likes from the first moment, and Chuck is the one that you really have to work to like, he's so full of himself, and he's jealous of his little brother.

It was like a bolt of lightning, and if we were already writing the whole season at this point, I think we should have thrown it out and started over, because it completely guided us to where we are today.

I don't think everything that happened would have happened the same way.

"And of course the other example that comes to mind is Ray Seehorn's character. When we started we wanted Kim to be a little mysterious, so in the first episode she only has a few lines of dialogue and we left it ambiguous: These two are dating each other? What's the deal here? And what we saw when Bob (Odenkirk, who plays Jimmy. E.I.) and Ray started acting together, you could tell he really liked her. I mean, who wouldn't like her? He's really attracted to her and she keeps a little distance between them. The fact that Ray has that ability Staying understated makes her fascinating to watch, and we brought that more and more into Kim. This penetration beneath Kim Wexler's calm facade also became one of the cornerstones of the series, which again, if we had written all the episodes ahead of time, we would never have gotten to ".

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Can he still be redeemed?

"Trust Saul" hero (Photo: Greg Lewis/AMC/Sony Pictures Television)

Are there any episodes you would recommend watching again before the finale?

"Yeah, you know what's really useful to watch at this point? There's a show called 'American Greed,' and in collaboration with us they did a special episode about Saul Goodman."

"I think that's really what I would see in the build-up to this. It can help, we're asking a lot from the viewers because, you know, there's been 62 episodes of 'Breaking Bad' and 63 episodes of 'Trust Saul,' and we're trying to keep it consistent of the world, and there is a lot to remember, let's put it this way."

From here on spoiler until the last episode aired in "Beside Sol", season 6 episode 12

"It's hard to answer but I will say that the last few episodes that have aired have made me wonder if this guy, Jimmy McGill, Saul Goodman, Gene — if he's trapped in a cycle that he can never escape. He always seems to go to these scams , and the scams got more and more vicious, and his morals, which have always been questionable, brought him to the point where he threatens this sweet old lady with a telephone wire. So I guess the question is, does this guy have a chance to turn his life around or is he stuck like this forever. And it's definitely one The things we thought about while we were thinking about how to end the program."

"It's a turning point, if you can say 'turning point' for refusing to strangle someone" (laughs).

"By the way, that's a scene that developed on the set. The way it was originally written and played was that Marion was going to grab the emergency button and Gene was on the other side of the kitchen, and then he'd say, 'Don't push it,' and she'd go for it and there was nothing he could do do about it. But the way Vince and the actors directed it - he basically has this thing in his hand, and then she says 'I trusted you' and he lets go of it and looks at her pressing the button. And I think you're right, I think somehow some clouds there have dissipated, But you know - the question remains what he ultimately deserves and what he will do next."

The last episode of "Trust Sol" will be released this Wednesday on Hot, Yes and Cellcom TV, and on Thursday on Netflix.

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