Maria Laura Avignolo
09/05/2021 8:00
Clarín.com
World
Updated 09/05/2021 8:00 AM
When he saw the sealed presidential palace, Salem Wahdat believed that the moment had come that his mother and family feared so much.
The Taliban were at the gates of Kabul and President Ashraf Ghani, for whom he worked, had fled.
He ran home, put his documentation in a small handbag, grabbed his ordinary passport and the diplomat, did not say goodbye to his mother and
arrived at the airport to catch the last commercial plane
that left Kabul airport: a Turkish Airlines flight , which left him in Istanbul.
He didn't even have money.
There were 3,000 people waiting at the bank's bank tellers.
This Afghan diplomat, of the Tadjik ethnic group, former consul general in Vancouver and translator of the Spanish troops in Afghanistan with his fluent university Spanish and of the North American ones with his perfect English, saved his life.
But today he
is anxiously waiting, in a Turkish hotel, for a Canadian visa to meet his wife
, who has requested asylum in Vancouver, and to see their two Canadian children.
Or to be able to reach Spain, where he worked for a contract with the Ministry of Defense throughout Afghanistan in the front line with his troops in Qala e Naw, in the province of Baghis.
Salem Wahdat, in a picture with King Emeritus Juan Carlos of Spain.
Photo: courtesy Salem Wahdat.
He even has a photo in a jacket with King Emeritus Juan Carlos, at a gala dinner and a certificate signed by Colonel Alonso Miranda, his commander.
Desperate calls
Despite his attempts,
no one responds
to Salem at either embassy.
It is as if they had lost their memory, despite the fact that they have all the documents that prove their work, their letters of recommendation, their contract with the Spanish Ministry of Defense.
His story as a Spanish interpreter is that of so many other translators for the Western forces, who have been trapped in Kabul, left to fend for themselves with their family, without anyone helping them or taking them out of the country yet.
He believes that most of those who left on the planes were not interpreters but employees of the embassies, friends of diplomats, "well off", who managed to take their uncles while the translators stayed downstairs, with the Taliban
looking for them house to house
.
The Taliban amnesty for those who worked for Western forces is "a sham for export."
This was his telephone conversation with
Clarín
from Istanbul, as he desperately sought to be contacted by the Canadian or Spanish embassy so that he could continue his journey, meet his wife and four children in Canada, and rescue his family in Kabul.
-How did you get out of Kabul, when the Taliban was approaching the city?
-When I went to work at the presidential palace on Saturday (August 14), I saw that the officers had sealed and closed.
That's why I thought something was going to happen the next day.
So I went directly to my house to collect my things.
He didn't have much time and then he had to go straight to the airport at night.
And I went on a plane, in the middle of the night, because the flight was delayed.
I left Kabul for Istanbul.
But my departure was not easy because I had to use an ordinary passport and not the diplomatic one so that they would not recognize me.
Because they wouldn't let me leave if they knew that I was part of the government.
Salem Wahdat (left with blue diver), in Afghanistan, months ago.
Photo: Salem Wahdat
-How did you do then?
-That's why I had to leave with an ordinary passport and, later, enter Istanbul with a diplomatic passport, because I did not have a visa to go elsewhere.
Only with a diplomatic passport could he enter Iran, Turkey and India.
That is why I preferred to come to Turkey.
Because I can contact the Embassy of Spain or Canada to go there.
-With an Afghan diplomatic passport, you cannot get to Canada?
-Not until now.
I have a letter from my wife who is there and I also have four children, who have Canadian nationality.
And now I am trying to leave Istanbul for Spain and later, the Ministry of Defense or Foreign Affairs of Spain, maybe, I don't know who, they have to help me to leave there for Canada.
-And how was your work with the Spanish?
-I went as a translator and it was a bit difficult because I had to work on the front line, when you were fighting terrorism in southern Afghanistan.
But it has helped me learn Spanish.
I studied from 2002 to 2005 at the University of Kabul, in the Department of Spanish Language and Literature.
It was established by the Cubans during the Soviet invasion.
It was closed for 20 years and in 2002 the Spanish language and literature classes began again.
We were six people.
Now I think that almost a hundred people graduated.
A member of the Taliban forces rests in Kabul this Saturday.
Photo: REUTERS
-What did your mother, your family leave in Kabul? You have many fears of what is happening in Kabul at that time.
-I have left everything: my family, my friends.
The most important thing is my family, my mother.
I have three sisters and four brothers.
They are there and all because of me, now they are hidden.
They have run away from home, because where I have lived for almost 30 years, everyone knows that I worked with the Armed Forces of Spain, then with the Armed Forces of the United States, and later with the government of Afghanistan.
Also for almost four years, when I did not have a job, I was a translator for journalists, special envoys from Spain or other Spanish-speaking countries in Afghanistan.
-The situation in Afghanistan, despite the fact that the Taliban have officially said that there is an amnesty, is it of such terror?
-Are lies.
Only yesterday they took 18 people from their homes, where there were military and government officials in Baghis province.
They killed them.
And then they left the bodies, they threw them into the water.
And also in Karazhan province nearly 30 people were killed yesterday.
They took them out of their homes, killed them, and then threw them into the river.
They are telling lies.
-Are they persecuting the families who worked, who have relatives who worked with the NATO security forces or who worked for foreigners?
-What I know is that since August 30, when they left the airport for the United States, the Taliban were negotiating until today.
They were saying, "Let's forgive everyone, everyone can work."
But from August 30 until now they are looking house to house for interpreters.
“They took them out of their houses, killed them and then threw them into the river.
(The Taliban) are telling lies. "
-What is happening with the interpreters who helped Westerners in Afghanistan?
-A friend of mine, who was an interpreter for the United States, called me to tell me that they are doing that.
He told me that he had to tear or throw away all the documents that he had interpreted.
This is the problem.
Right now they are looking house to house for interpreters, collaborators of the foreign armed forces, who they think were the occupiers and the interpreters were like spies.
-In the evacuation, the United States gave the list of interpreters to the Taliban, because it was the Taliban who picked up the Americans or Afghans to take them to the airport. It seems unusual, but it was like that.
-The United States has taken almost 100,000 people. But I think this is a lie. Because I know friends, who have worked for 10 years with the United States, and have been waiting for the visa for four years. Five years but they are in Kabul. They have taken people who are not the interpreters or the collaborators. I don't know who has fled with the United States. I think it was some people at the airport who came and got on the plane. And not the interpreters. The majority, who are the collaborators and the translators, stayed in Kabul. For example Spain has taken almost 200 people. But I know that the majority are not the interpreters or the collaborators. They are family, embassy employees or friends of diplomats in Kabul.
-Do you think that the interpreters who are still in Kabul or Afghanistan are at risk?
- Still many.
I have a friend who has been working with Spain for 10 years and has not been able to get to the airport.
He has been trying for almost ten days with his children.
He worked in Iraq and Kabul, in three places with the Spanish.
Ten years, not one, two or three.
Ten years, special ops, with the paratroopers.
But right now he is in Kabul.
I can't say his name.
But everyone knows that he is there with his children.
Because it has not been able to arrive.
Because for Spain, you had to go to the airport with a red vest and then they had to call you.
There were two thousand people in red vests there.
I don't know who it was.
-What was the criterion for taking some and leaving others? And especially leaving the interpreters?
-It was an organizational failure of the United States, Spain and other countries.
They have not been able to organize well and lead those who are really in danger.
Yes they have taken some.
For example, 40 percent are people who were interpreters.
But I know people who have sent their uncles, their aunts and their nephews, relatives, who do not belong to the interpreters.
Some used to work with Spain but are now in Kabul.
They have not been able to get their children, their brothers.
But there are others who have their cousin, their uncle, their aunt on their mother's side and their father's side in Spain, and they are not in Spain either.
Now they are living in another country.
“It was an organizational failure of the United States, Spain and the other countries.
They have not been able to organize well and take those who are really in danger ”.
-How far does the danger go? How far does the Taliban attack a family when one of its members participated, worked with Westerners?
-I think they will not forgive anyone.
I know that in a month or two months, if time passes and the world takes care of other matters, they will close their eyes to Afghanistan.
And the Taliban are going to start killing family members one by one.
For example, the brothers, sisters and mothers and fathers of the interpreters.
Also the interpreters who are in Kabul: 100 percent.
I am sure that the Taliban will not forgive them.
The Taliban know that in these 20 years, the interpreters were like the eyes, the hands of the armed forces of Western countries in Afghanistan.
They have assisted an international coalition against the Taliban.
And the Taliban cannot forget this.
-Is the Taliban amnesty an "for export" amnesty, but not a real one?
-It's a lie, it's a lie!
The Taliban are a group of terrorists.
For example, the United States has signed an escape treaty, not a peace treaty.
And they have left many people in danger.
Women have lost everything.
I now know that the girls in Afghanistan have lost everything.
They have almost nothing: they can't go out, they can't study, they can't go to work.
You have no rights.
This is like killing 15 million people.
The amnesty “is a lie.
The Taliban are a group of terrorists ”.
- Do you think that it has returned to the 90s, like when they reigned?
-I think much more.
They have reached a point where I think they have lost everything and in 100 years we will not be able to recover it.
We have lost everything.
Everything we have gained in 20 years, we have lost in 20 hours.
And now, the international community has escaped.
They cannot say that they have returned.
They all escaped.
They escaped and left the town in the hands of the Taliban terrorists.
-The Taliban did not change?
-They were saying that the Taliban have changed.
We knew for two years that they have not changed: they are savages, they are murderers.
But they are the same now.
Right now I am talking to you and saying these things, I am also afraid for my family.
Others cannot speak, because if you speak and you have your family in Kabul, it is very difficult.
“The Taliban have not changed.
They are savages, they are murderers ”.
-Do you feel abandoned by both the Spanish and the United States troops with whom you worked?
-Yes, one hundred percent, because if not they would have to have a list of those who have helped them. For example, since I worked with Spain and the United States, I had a contract directly with the Spanish Ministry of Defense. That's why they don't have to ask me every day: "Who are you? Where have you worked? You have to give me your contract. We have to examine whether or not you were an interpreter." Because they know that I was three years living in the same detachment with the armed forces of Spain. This was not for a day, it was not for a month. It was three years. And another friend I have, who is now in Kabul, spent ten years in the same detachment, sleeping with the Spanish. Now they are asking him: "Who are you, where did you go and what job did you have and who was your boss?" They know everything.But they are wasting time for you to lose patience. But this is not going to happen. We will fight to get what we deserve.
US soldiers, during the chaotic evacuation from Kabul, in an Aug. 21 photo.
Photo: AP
- Are you surprised by this negotiation of the United States with the Taliban during the evacuation?
-It is a shame.
I am not surprised by what they are doing now because when they had been in Kabul, they had not been able to.
Now as they can with a negotiation remove people, this is very difficult.
But I know the Taliban.
If they give you a pass to leave Kabul, if you have to go to the airport, you have to show your documents.
Who are you?
Where have you worked?
What's your name?
You have to have your documents too.
If you arrive in Spain you have to have all your documents that prove that you were an interpreter.
There is a saying in Spanish: "where captain rules, no sailor rules."
Now the United States is now like the sailors.
The Taliban in Kabul are the captain.
They will do what they want.
Humanitarian crisis and negotiations
-Western countries know that Afghanistan faces a major humanitarian crisis in less than two weeks. There is chaos in the city, there is no money, there is no food. Prices have tripled. So, do you think this is an argument for negotiating with the Taliban? Is the Taliban going to give in to the West or not? Or does the money come from opium?
-There is nothing else.
For example, now in command of the Taliban there is a person called Haqqani.
He was responsible for the bomb blast near the embassy of Germany and the United States.
It has killed more than a thousand people;
and the other person too, who is the one who is third in command of the Taliban, was wanted by the United States for two years, with a reward of 5 million dollars alive or dead.
And right now they are negotiating with that person.
They are saying that "we are going to talk to him about humanitarian aid for Afghans", because "if we want to help Afghans, we have to negotiate with them."
-Are we talking about the Haqqani clan?
Yes.
They are two brothers after the death of the father.
These are not the people who think that the people have bread for today and hunger for tomorrow.
They think that if they kill many people and go to paradise, for them the things of this world are not worth it.
They think that if someone does not have something to eat today, in the other world God will give them something.
These are the crazy things and the things that I don't know where they have gotten and are pushing the people.
And also the Westerners.
-What do you think will happen with this negotiation?
-I think that at the end of this drama they will lose their patience to negotiate with the Taliban.
They will wait until the day that the Taliban or Al Qaeda will attack a country from Afghanistan again, or that the same subway attack will be repeated in Madrid or the attack in New York or Paris.
And they are going to come back and fight the terrorists in Afghanistan.
Until those days they will be silent and negotiating with the terrorists.
Now they are changed.
They are much more murderous, much more professional terrorists.
Now they have a business exporting cocaine from Afghanistan to the whole world.
They do not need the money of the United States and do not think for the people.
It is not important whether the town has something to eat or not.
-Is there a possibility of rebellion against this on the part of the people or do people have terror of the Taliban?
-I think that people are not going to trust the Taliban and they think that they are the terrorists.
And this thinking of the people is not going to change.
But there is a resistance from Afghans in Panjshir province.
The world has to help these people, who are in the resistance.
Commanding them is Ahmad Massoud, the son of Commander Massoud in Afghanistan.
They have to help them, because because they did not listen to their father, the attack on the Twin Towers occurred in the United States and also on Spain and Paris.
And now they at least have to listen to their son.
-Why?
-It is the only hope of the Afghans.
I also think that it is the only hope in the world to reach an agreement for an inclusive government, with human rights for women, for girls, to study and also to have a government to respond to all the needs of a democratic society.
With the Taliban, we may not be able to reach this agreement.
That is why they have to help the resistance, in order to one day be able to negotiate with these terrorists.
“In the resistance for now there is no idea of a civil war.
But since I was in the previous government, I have seen that Afghanistan belongs to the tribes and that they will never unite ”.
-Do you think that Massoud's resistance can, more than a civil war, seek to moderate or form an inclusive government? Liquify the conservative and puritanical power of Islam from the Taliban and move towards a certain consensus?
-Maybe I think that the resistance for now is not the idea of a civil war.
But the Taliban will not listen, because the majority, almost 98 percent, are Pashtuns.
The other tribes of Afghanistan are not with them and they cannot maintain a government with a people they cannot manage.
Is the country going to be divided into how many parts?
The last 40 years have taught us a lesson: the Afghan people cannot live together.
I think like this right now.
As I was in the previous government, I have seen that Afghanistan belongs to the tribes and that they will never unite.
- Certainly democracy is not a system adapted to the country, they have shown it for more than 200 years.
-There is no democracy in Afghanistan.
Until now there was a government where four people came from the United States and pushing the people, because they had the help of the United States.
For example Ashraf Ghani had lived in the United States for 34 years.
They have brought him in as a
thinker
, but he was a thief overall.
I worked with him.
- Do you think that President Ghani had any other possibility, other than to flee? Because they were going to kill him, right?
-No, they were not going to kill him because he escaped leaving power for his people, for his Pashtun tribe. That is why he did not want to leave power to others, who are now in the resistance and do not want the Taliban. In the last two years of his rule, he has supported the Taliban for what they were doing. And also in the end he has left power to the Taliban because they are from the same tribe as him. I was working with him. But I thought they were going to work for Afghanistan, and in the end they escaped. They have abandoned the town. Yes, the United States is at fault, or Spain and other countries. But 95 percent of it is our fault. Because we haven't done anything good for our country either. Maybe he escaped a week before the United States armed forces escaped. Because he has come with them and escaped with them.
-In your opinion, why did the Taliban arrive so quickly in Kabul and where is the Afghan army? Why did it disappear?
-The United States envoys for the peace negotiation were always talking to the Taliban about that they were going to come, that the Taliban had to come.
If you are a soldier in the Afghan army and you are going to see that the United States is in Qatar with the Taliban, sitting down, signing the agreement, they are giving it a policy office for a terrorist group.
And then you, what you are going to lose is morality, right?
And the Afghan army, for two years, has lost its morale.
Because the United States, the Westerners, have helped the Taliban, a group of terrorists, to change their position as a political group.
-Was this Taliban advance expected?
-The whole town knew that the Taliban were coming.
The whole town was talking, house to house, word of mouth, "because the United States is helping the Taliban."
The fear was that the United States, the day he left, would bring the Taliban to Kabul.
They all knew it.
That is why all the organizations were broken: from the security, the army or the government.
Everyone thought the United States was going to do that.
“The fear was that the United States, the day he left, was going to bring the Taliban to Kabul.
They all knew it ”.
-The Taliban, when they entered the Bagram base and the Kabul airport, it seemed that they had arrived at a toy store, with the United States weapons there, even if they were destroyed. Did Western countries have a choice between choosing the destruction of the material and the evacuation of the people?
-They have destroyed almost 5 percent of their weapons.
But 95 percent are in the hands of the Taliban.
The Taliban have many more weapons and equipment for war than other countries, such as Tajikistan, such as Turkmenistan.
There are weapons that the Taliban have that Ukraine does not have.
This does not mean that the United States has destroyed everything.
They have only destroyed a few things at the Kabul airport or at the Bagram base.
But the equipment, the tanks, are in the hands of the Taliban.
He was served in Afghanistan.
They have had everything.
The Taliban have night goggles.
That is why I think that the countries around Afghanistan are in great danger now.
I think it was something weird, organized, leaving those things to the bad guys, to the Taliban.
Taliban fighters in front of the Kabul airport.
Photo: EFE
-Do you think there was an agreement?
-Yo no lo sé, pero el pueblo piensa así. ¿Tú dejas el 95 por ciento de los armas, aviones, tanques para los talibanes? Para mí es raro. Ahora están mucho más equipados que los otros y por eso tienen mucho más poder. Si tienen poder, van a matar a muchas más personas. Si los países que están alrededor no van a hacer nada, van a pagar. Es como alguien que está jugando con fuego.
-¿Usted cree que se puede salir por las rutas hacia los países vecinos, hacia Pakistán, Uzbekistán,Irán, hacia Tayikistán, de alguna manera sin la autorización del Talibán? ¿La gente puede escapar por la montaña, como ha hecho otras veces o es una misión muy riesgosa?
-Por Pakistán e Irán, por ahora el pueblo no puede pasar. Porque ellos han construido unos muros entre Afganistán y Pakistán. Por las montañas sólo pueden pasar los jóvenes, porque las montañas son muy altas. Para los otros que tienen que ir por la frontera oficial, está cerrado. Todos los países han cerrado las fronteras y los aeropuertos ya no funcionan. El pueblo está abandonado y no tiene una vía para escapar. Si algún día van a abrir las fronteras, yo pienso que en un mes, van a salir más de 2 millones de personas. Dicen que van a salir 300 mil personas. Pero yo pienso que van a salir más de 2 millones de personas, porque el pueblo no va a vivir bajo mando de los talibanes. Porque no es el tiempo. No estamos en 1996. Ahora estamos en 2021.
-¿Y ya conocieron la libertad?
-Sí, veinte años. Hemos tenido muchas cosas. Hemos tenido malos gobiernos en Afganistán, que fueron corruptos. Por ejemplo, la sociedad civil de Afganistán y las universidades empezaban de 4 de la mañana hasta las 11 de la noche. Las chicas a las 4 de la mañana salían de sus casas para estudiar y esto no fue por ayuda de los Estados Unidos. El pueblo ha hecho un esfuerzo muy grande. En 20 años, cada día salieron más de 5 millones de niñas de sus casas hacia el colegio. Ahora hace 20 días que no salen de sus casas. Ellas no pueden vivir así.
“El pueblo ha hecho un esfuerzo muy grande. En 20 años, cada día salieron más de 5 millones de niñas de sus casas hacia el colegio. Ahora hace 20 días que no salen de sus casas”.
-¿No van al colegio las niñas?
No.
-En Kabul o en Herat, aparentemente, publicaron una foto donde se veía a las niñas en el colegio.
-Esa es una foto que va a complicar a los talibanes. Pero el pueblo no confía en los talibanes. ¿Cómo puedes enviar a tus hijas que tienen 12 años al colegio donde va a haber talibanes? Ellos están intentando casarse con niñas de 12 años.
Las chicas y los casamientos forzados
-Porque otro problema enorme es la pedofilia en Afganistán, ¿no?
-Por eso. Nadie va a hacer estas cosas con sus hijas. Y también no hay confianza en los terroristas. Por eso el pueblo se va a escapar, por sus niños, por el futuro que no hay.
-¿Nos puede contar cómo es este proceso del casamiento forzado, el hecho de que una niña de 10 años puede ser casada con un señor de 50? ¿Cómo funciona ese mecanismo en la etnia pashtún?
-Los talibanes piensan así. Piensan que si alguien se quiere casar con una niña de 10 años, puede hacerlo. Porque a ellos no les importa que la niña decida, porque la niña no puede decidir. Pero su padre puede cobrar una cantidad de dinero y obligar a su hija a casarse con una persona de más de 50 años o de 60 años. Esto no es religioso: es una cosa que viene de la tribalidad. Pero la interpretación que tienen los talibanes está muy mal. Ellos piensan que un hombre puede casarse con quien quiere, cada uno tiene más de diez o 20 mujeres. Se casan con una unos días y después, la matan y se casan con otra. Y así piensan que el hombre manda.
-¿Por qué cree que piensan así?
-Lo que yo sé es que la peor guerra del mundo, es la guerra en la que uno piensa que está allí por Dios. Y después va a hacer todas las cosas malas y piensa que es por Dios. Matar personas, casarse con 50 personas y con niñas y lo que están haciendo, ellos piensan que lo están haciendo por Dios. Por eso los talibanes están haciendo esto. Y estas cosas son un vergüenza para nuestro país. Por ejemplo al dejar que una niña de 10 años o de 12 años, hasta de 8 años, se case obligatoriamente con alguien que no conoce, de 50 o 60 años. Son cosas de salvajes, no son de una sociedad democrática o desarrollada. Por esas cosas estoy preocupado. Porque las chicas y las mujeres de Afganistán han perdido el 100 por ciento de todo lo adquirido. Ahora van a vivir bajo el mando de los talibanes como animales, no como humanos.
“Las chicas y las mujeres de Afganistán han perdido el 100 por ciento de todo lo adquirido. Ahora van a vivir bajo el mando de los talibanes como animales, no como humanos”.
La huida del presidente Ashraf Ghani
¿Usted sintió que el presidente Ghani fue traicionado por Estados Unidos o dentro del Palacio presidencial existía la convicción de que no podían aguantar muchos meses más hasta que se produjera un ordenado retiro de las fuerzas occidentales? ¿Era casi ridícula esa teoría de los Estados Unidos de que el gobierno iba a resistir?.
-No, el pueblo está preparado para resistir. Pero las autoridades del gobierno, con el presidente Ghani, han traicionado al pueblo, no los Estados Unidos. Él ha hecho esto. Él se escapó. El gobierno ha dejado que los talibanes vinieran y les han dejado las llaves de sus palacios a los talibanes. Después se han subido a los helicópteros y escaparon de Afganistán con 169 millones de dólares.
-¿Qué es lo que usted espera del mundo? ¿Cómo quiere que se ayude a las mujeres, a ustedes, a los que se quedaron y tienen que salir? ¿Qué quiere que haga la gente para ayudarlos?
-Yo pienso que en el mundo no tienen que olvidar que tienen una responsabilidad con la ayuda humanitaria a Afganistán. Porque si van a abandonar a los talibanes, no tienen que abandonar al pueblo y no tienen que abandonar a las mujeres. Tienen que sacar a las chicas que son artistas, que han estudiado mucho y que ahora no pueden hacer nada, se tienen que sentar en una casa. A lo mejor van a perder todo lo que han tenido hasta ahora. Tienen que ayudar a las mujeres y estar en Afganistán activos. En los talibanes yo no tengo confianza. Si van a negociar con los talibanes, a lo mejor les van a decir que sí, pero no van a hacerlo.
-¿Cuál es entonces la salida?
-La única solución ahora es dividir Afganistán en unos cuantos países. Esa es la única y la última solución, porque Afganistán unido no funciona. Los últimos 50 años nos ha enseñado esto. El problema que tiene Afganistán es que gente como Ghani, que ha estudiado en los Estados Unidos y en los ocho años que estuvo como presidente, no ha cambiado su pensamiento. Estaba pensando solo en su tribu, en las personas que hablan la misma lengua y estaban empujando a otros. Había muchos más democráticos que los talibanes, pero estaban empujando y no lo querían. Pero la única solución a esto es que el mundo tiene que ayudar a Afganistán. Tener un sistema federal, como España o como Estados Unidos, o dividir a unos cuantos países y solucionar este problema para siempre.
-¿Usted a qué etnia pertenece?
-Yo soy Tajik. Trabajé hasta el último día con el presidente, pero ahora mismo pienso que el problema de Afganistán no se va a solucionar así. Hay que hacer algo diferente. Por eso pienso que la única solución es esto. Lo van a dividir en cuatro regiones o lo van a dividir en cinco o seis países. Tienen que ser pequeños, pero en paz. No es importante si eres un país muy grande pero estás en guerra civil toda la vida. Que sean países muy pequeños pero en paz.
¿Hay otro aeropuerto desde donde se pueda evacuar a la gente en Afganistán, que no esté destruido como la terminal de Kabul?
-Sí, hay tres aeropuertos que no están destruidos.
-¿O sea que se puede hacer la evacuación desde ahí?
Sí.
París, corresponsal
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