Immunologist Watzl explains to "Markus Lanz" about booster vaccinations.
Greens managing director Kellner is open to compulsory vaccination for certain professions.
Hamburg - At Markus Lanz, the SPD veteran Franz Müntefering and the Greens managing director Michael Kellner meet with the journalist Anja Maier and the immunologist Carsten Watzl on Thursday evening.
From the latter, Lanz would like to know at the outset why it is better to have a third vaccination instead of "boosting" yourself against Covid-19 after the first vaccination. He first made it clear: For vaccinated non-risk patients, an infection is "probably not a problem at all, because that's where we want to go". The situation is different for high-risk patients. “So especially someone with a pre-existing illness or if it is really any 80-year-old, then the vaccination is safer. You have to be very clear about that. "
The immunologist does the math: “An 80-year-old has a 20 percent chance of dying from Corona.
I reduce that by 90 percent, then he still has 2 percent.
He is still as bad off as a non-vaccinated 50-year-old.
So there is still a residual risk.
That's why I better get a booster vaccination and not a booster infection. "
Coronavirus debate at "Markus Lanz": Compulsory vaccination for health and nursing staff?
It didn't take long before talk host Lanz Michael Kellner spoke to his party colleague Janosch Dahmen, who had called for mandatory vaccinations for certain professional groups. Kellner tries to dispel Lanz's concern: “No general vaccination requirement. I rule that out. But what I am not excluding is what Janosch Dahmen said. For professional groups that really work with people. The risk for the patient or the carer is of course particularly high when it comes to health and care. The professional groups themselves have a responsibility to get vaccinated. "
Whether this actually happens, explains Kellner, depends on how the vaccination progress is within the occupational groups in question.
Watzl points out that a corresponding recommendation already exists: “Here we come back to the booster vaccinations.
There is a very clear recommendation that nursing staff should boost themselves regardless of age.
Simply for the reason, not because they need it for self-protection - but the protection of others.
Because then it is avoided that such people look after infected vulnerable people. "
At "Markus Lanz": Green man Kellner justifies the end of the nationwide Corona ordinances
However, the expert has problems with the concept of mandatory vaccination: "As an immunologist, I would of course much prefer to talk about the benefits of vaccination than suddenly having to discuss personal rights when a vaccination is mandatory, because then I'm out." Franz Müntefering agrees that the word “duty” should be handled carefully. But he also looks at the overall social dimension: "How far can we actually accept that in a certain situation people do not protect themselves?"
Moderator Lanz also speaks to Kellner about the expiry of the pandemic situation of national scope, announced by the SPD, Greens and FDP. Kellner contradicts the accusation of leaving the federal states alone with the pandemic: “All the measures, 2G, 3G, hygiene concepts, mask requirement, restrictions at events: All of this is still possible and it is still necessary. What is no longer possible is simply the preventive closing of shops, the preventive closing of schools. It is possible to tell if there is an acute outbreak at a school then I can close the school. But I can no longer lock down and shut everything down as a preventive measure. "The pandemic also plays an important role in the coalition negotiations,Nationwide lockdown measures had already criticized the Greens and FDP in the opposition.
“Markus Lanz” - these were his guests on October 28th
Franz Müntefering - ex-SPD leader
Michael Kellner - Federal Managing Director of the Greens
Anja Maier -
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journalist
Carsten Watzl - immunologist
The second part of the program is dedicated to the "Markus Lanz" group on forming a government in Berlin.
Moderator Lanz asks Greens federal manager Kellner if he shares the feeling of the people that the Greens are currently being driven by the FDP.
The federal manager of the Greens denies this: “There is a great responsibility to form a common government.
It was clear that in a traffic light coalition the path for the FDP is the furthest, the most difficult.
I am glad that we managed to find common ground and a real will to form a coalition. "
Lanz tries to underline his point: “You didn't get anything through, not even Tempo 130.” Kellner contradicts: “Well, we have pushed through a coal phase-out in 2030.
We argued with all the other parties throughout the election campaign.
By the way: We argued more with the SPD than with the FDP, to be honest, on this question.
We have one point that was very important to us: The question of basic child protection, which will help millions of children who grow up in poverty. "
Greens or FDP in the Ministry of Finance?
Waiter is silent, Müntefering is optimistic
The host Lanz then calculates which projects can be implemented and how, depends on money.
Both Robert Habeck (Greens) and Christian Lindner (FDP) would therefore prefer to know the Ministry of Finance among themselves.
Kellner makes no secret of the fact that personnel issues can escalate, but demands patience: "That is a completely legitimate question, a real dilemma."
“Mr. Müntefering”, Lanz turns to the former SPD chairman, “at what point in coalition negotiations do people talk about posts?
Really at the very end? "Müntefering quite bluntly denies:" Actually, that's always there, the subject.
Right from the start, that's also quite normal. "
“Markus Lanz” - the conclusion of the show
The "Markus Lanz" group starts by listening to the immunologist Carsten Watzl, who promotes a relaxed approach to corona booster vaccinations.
These are primarily important for old people and high-risk groups.
If, on the other hand, you are younger than 60 and have been vaccinated, you can follow the motto: "Then you get your booster with the infection."
In the second part of the program, Müntefering and Kellner talk about the current coalition negotiations.
Because there is great agreement, Lanz sprinkles the Green Salt election result in Kellner's still open wound.
“Of course there would have been more,” he says, confused, but does not address specific responsibilities.
In conclusion, Müntefering sums up the beginnings of Merkel's chancellorship and his role as the SPD chairman at the time.
Hermann Racke
